Dante vs WWH

Originally posted by Battlehammer
false. Logan used his legs to propell him giving him self momentum, and the ability to use his full morbility which would grant him far greater force.

Logan being held in the air gave him far limited mobility and also took away from using most of his body in the assualt.

it pritty simple actaully.

also why would Logan do a surprize attack that would do less damage then a normal assault? think about it man that does not even make sense.

Two things. First, a downward slashing attack has less piercing power than a braced attack where you push directly into something. When Logan comes down with the initial attack. It takes far less force to push a sword through something pointed directly at it, than it does to slash down on something.

If you want to take a real life example, take a leather belt, a sharp knife, and a leather reamer. Slashing down on the belt will only lightly scratch the surface, wheras pushing in with the leather reamer using the same amount of strength will dig much deeper into the belt and puncture through it.

If you look at the scan again, that's exactly what Logan did - he was surprised when his initial attack didn't pierce Hulk's skin, so when Hulk grabbed him, his body was now leveraged to use his full strength to push into and then tear into the Hulk's skin.

Originally posted by Kutulu

I just looked at the picture again. Hulk's skin was not cut from the initial downward attack.

It is not a contradiction. Read what I wrote again about Logan's strength. When you're strong enough to press 5 times your bodyweight, then being braced will allow you to press with more force than simply jumping down.

Look again at the middle. Look at the slash. There are lines sparking away from it. Clear indication of a cut. wish I had the edit ability so i could circle it for you.

false Like a stated Logan had gain momentum then pushed off with teh full force of his legs granting him far greater force.

Being held in the air and at thos angles would allow him only at best the strength in his arms.

also Like I said before why would Logan attack that way first if it was weaker then a normal assault? he would that make no sense. think about it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Look again at the middle. Look at the slash. There are lines sparking away from it. Clear indication of a cut. wish I had the edit ability so i could circle it for you.

false Like a stated Logan had gain momentum then pushed off with teh full force of his legs granting him far greater force.

Being held in the air and at thos angles would allow him only at best the strength in his arms.

also Like I said before why would Logan attack that way first if it was weaker then a normal assault? he would that make no sense. think about it.

I am looking again at the scan right now, and once again, he did not cut his skin. When he cuts his skin he has green goo (blood) on the end of his claws, which you can clearly see, he doesn't have in that first initial attack.

Logan came in that way as his attack because he was expecting to pierce Hulk's skin with the initial slash down, so it does make sense. The last thing Wolverine would expect would be for someone to resist his claw attack.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Look again at the middle. Look at the slash. There are lines sparking away from it. Clear indication of a cut. wish I had the edit ability so i could circle it for you.

I have photo-chopped the scan for you.

Look closely - this is right after Wolverine came slashing down. Look at Wolverine's right claw after slashing Hulk's eye - it clearly has "goo" on it, meaning Blood from Hulk. Look at his left claw now, and notice how it's completely clean - no blood or otherwise.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I am looking again at the scan right now, and once again, he did not cut his skin. When he cuts his skin he has green goo (blood) on the end of his claws, which you can clearly see, he doesn't have in that first initial attack.

actaully look at the entire fight. logan does not has blood on his claws what so ever untill he stabs hulk and even then the blood remains for less then a pannel

Originally posted by Kutulu
Logan came in that way as his attack because he was expecting to pierce Hulk's skin with the initial slash down, so it does make sense. The last thing Wolverine would expect would be for someone to resist his claw attack.

no it would not. Logan would attack with the most devasting attack, not the least powerful. that make little to no sense. actaully logan has had resistence to his claws before it no that big of a shocker for him. Also did Logan look surpized to you? logan cleary just goes oh your harder to cut. Not surprized in the least. also being harder to cut like I said does not mean he did not cut him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
think about it.

To clarify my position - my only point of contention with what you were saying is that there are no circumstances where Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk. My point is that it has been proven time and time again that Hulk's durability rises along with his strength when he gets angry.

Had Wolverine come down with the initial attack using a downward facing piercing attack (not slashing), he no doubt would have pierced into Hulk's skin - that being said, it looks like he wasn't expecting Hulk's skin to be as resilient as it was.

Originally posted by Kutulu
To clarify my position - my only point of contention with what you were saying is that there are no circumstances where Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk. My point is that it has been proven time and time again that Hulk's durability rises along with his strength when he gets angry.

Had Wolverine come down with the initial attack using a downward facing piercing attack (not slashing), he no doubt would have pierced into Hulk's skin - that being said, it looks like he wasn't expecting Hulk's skin to be as resilient as it was.

No what I was saying is there no version of Hulk Logan can't pierce.

There may be a circumstances like no leverage or what not that prevents logan from cutting hulk, but if Logan is given a clean shot he was certainly pierce hulks skin.

actaully wwh is always at his max's. so his resistences would not have varied at all.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully look at the entire fight. logan does not has blood on his claws what so ever untill he stabs hulk and even then the blood remains for less then a pannel

After stabbing Hulk, you can clearly see goo on his left claw, a panel after the wound, not once, but two separate panels show blood / goo on his claws.
http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=92196991hl0.jpg

Originally posted by Battlehammer

actaully wwh is always at his max's. so his resistences would not have varied at all.

Incorrect. Look at the following two pictures, in the first picture at his base WWH level he is having trouble with the Toxin he was injected with. Cho then says something to make him more angry, and watch how quickly he overcomes the toxin as his anger level rises.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat2.jpg

WWH is at a constant base level that is much higher than his normal base level, this is true, but his strength, durability, and healing factor still vary during the series quite a bit depending on how much angrier he gets than his base level of meditated anger.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Incorrect. Look at the following two pictures, in the first picture at his base WWH level he is having trouble with the Toxin he was injected with. Cho then says something to make him more angry, and watch how quickly he overcomes the toxin as his anger level rises.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat2.jpg

WWH is at a constant base level that is much higher than his normal base level, this is true, but his strength, durability, and healing factor still vary during the series quite a bit depending on how much angrier he gets than his base level of meditated anger.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
guess I was wrong about that. still does not change the fact his strength, durability did not simply spike for that one attack then go down again. Nor was it ever shown to really spike during the x-men fight at all ecpt for the beggining.

Since you clarified that there is no version of Hulk that Wolverine cannot pierce, I would agree; it's slashing that Wolverine had trouble doing. I have seen no evidence of Hulk ever resisting a piercing attack from Logan.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Since you clarified that there is no version of Hulk that Wolverine cannot pierce, I would agree; it's slashing that Wolverine had trouble doing. I have seen no evidence of Hulk ever resisting a piercing attack from Logan.

even slashinng attacks Logan still pierces hulks skin.

let for the sake of the arguement assume logan did not cut hulk with that down ward slash. he still slashed hulk every other time during the fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
even slashinng attacks Logan still pierces hulks skin.

let for the sake of the arguement assume logan did not cut hulk with that down ward slash. he still slashed hulk every other time during the fight.

Sounds good to me. 🙂

I go with Hulk.

No way a ***-manga looking dude will hurt my boy! 😛

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I go with Hulk.

No way a ***-manga looking dude will hurt my boy! 😛

Since when Dreamwave comics are manga🙂?

Hulk wins.

HOw the hell is Dante supposed to even hurt hulk? . Also doesnt his timestop power have some sort of guage as to how long he can use it? Hulk thunderclaps and then throws Dante into the sun.

Hulk wins IMO.

no way dante can beat WWH. Hulk has been toe-toe with mephisto and wwh is the strongest and smartest incarnation of the hulk you be crazy to think that wwh will lose to that arrogant punk.

How about Sentry vs Dante? 131