Superman vs Mangog

Started by Horrificus53 pages

In the past, the only way Mangog has been defeated, was through the following:

1. Odin attempts to temporarily get rid of Mangog by separating and setting free the entire race of beings that Mangog was composed of.
Without the hate of the entire race fueling him, Mangog temporarily dissipates.
There is no battle between Odin and Mangog in this first appearance, however, it is stated constantly that Odin is unable to beat Mangog and Mangog, literally, cannot be beaten in battle.

2. In this appearance, the writer pushes the unbeatable nature of Mangog even further. It is stated every couple pages. Also, in this arc Odin is actually shown several times, seemingly terrified of Mangog. Odin himself states that he cannot beat Mangog again and again.
Two different statements are made by 2 different characters that Mangog is more than a Thousand Times more powerful than Thor. This is on panel.
Initially, as Mangog approaches Asgard, Odin rides out to greet him at the head of the Asgardian Army. At this time Odin is at full power. As they come upon Mangog, he literally grabs the earth and tosses it, along with the entire army and a bridge that they were crossing. The only one left alive is Odin and he is a cowering wreck.
As Mangog comes up to Odin, Odin announces that he cannot defeat Mangog, but cannot allow Mangog to gain the twilight sword and destroy the universe.
At this point Odin uses his power to shunt Asgard to a reality so far removed from the 616, it won't matter if Mangog takes the twilight sword or not, because it won't effect the mainstream universe.
After this happens, Mangog pummels a weakened Odin a couple times and is actually shown to be carrying around an unconscious Odin for many pages as if he were a rag doll, while Thor tries to save his father. Finally, Odin receives an amp from the waters of the Twilight Well, (which is a double of the well that Odin also receives power from) presumably doubling his power. When this happens Odin says that his power is extended like never before, and still all he can do is disconnect Mangog from his power source of hate and violence, which weakens Mangog and sends him running.
However, doing this, even with the amp, ends up killing Odin himself without killing Mangog.
Also, in this story, Mangog defeats a being known as Kartag the Keeper. Kartag is the protector of the second Twilight Well and is hinted at having powers similar to Odin, probably due to the well he protects being a double of the well Odin uses. He also defeats Thor in battle as Thor tries to gain the mystical waters.
Mangog is shown defeating Kartag with one strike.

3. Third appearance has Mangog in the guise of Odin, ruling over Asgard while Odin is away. Mangog is learning to use the power of praise and adoration this time, instead of hate and violence. Mangog now has this new power-source.
This time, the only way he is defeated is when the realm learns that he is not Odin and Mangog loses his connection with the power of praise and adoration. But, again, he was unbeatable until the disconnection from the power-source.

4. The defeat at the hands of Thor was suspect. After horribly punishing Thor, Mangog enters a period of weakness for some reason, at which point Thor is able to gain the upper hand. Mangog is shown on his knees, but never ko'd. Even after Thor fires the Godblast directly into Mangog's throat, he is never shown to be unconscious. He remains on his knees but moving.
This is when Thor strikes a last time, sending Mangog off of a cliff. He is shown to fall as his position changes. After he hits bottom, he is not shown again, but he is never shown to be knocked out. It is more of a bfr, because immediately, as soon as Mangog is falling, Thor takes off after Thanos.

And, that's the story.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Are we using current or Pre-Flashpoint Superman? The thread was started in 2007, so that means pre-flashpoint.

If the op was made in 07 then the last appearance of Mangog prior to the Thunderstrike appearance was the one that RKT obliterated. Obviously that can't be held against him, so before that it was what, his appearance when he was helping the Thanosi? Safe bet that it'd be spite in that case no Jackethebanke? [never gets old Jake lol]

Originally posted by dmills
If the op was made in 07 then the last appearance of Mangog prior to the Thunderstrike appearance was the one that RKT obliterated. Obviously that can't be held against him, so before that it was what, his appearance when he was helping the Thanosi? Safe bet that it'd be spite in that case no Jackethebanke? [never gets old Jake lol]

😂 I love that name.

I think Jurgens' Mangog would get the convincing majority over Superman conventionally, but it wouldn't be outright spite as Kal certainly has the feats to suggest him dealing some damage to him or scraping a win together similar to how Thor did.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😂 I love that name.

I think Jurgens' Mangog would get the convincing majority over Superman conventionally, but it wouldn't be outright spite as Kal certainly has the feats to suggest him dealing some damage to him or scraping a win together similar to how Thor did.

Cool. We gotta get pr to change it for you lol 👆

Yeah you know Supes would battle till he had nothing left that's for sure. If he goes physical though he'll have nothing left very quickly lol.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😂 I love that name.

I think Jurgens' Mangog would get the convincing majority over Superman conventionally, but it wouldn't be outright spite as Kal certainly has the feats to suggest him dealing some damage to him or scraping a win together similar to how Thor did.

By Anti-force blasting him down his gullet or throwing him into the Sun?

Originally posted by ODG
By Anti-force blasting him down his gullet or throwing him into the Sun?

I think Superman's smart enough to go for a BFR once he realizes that physically, he's getting beat down and the like. And I think his combat acumen is good enough for someone who feels like arguing on his behalf that he could attempt heat visioning Mangog down his throat.

^ Mangog's been BFR'ed via mystically reinforced (doubly so) portals. Had I seen Mangog been tossed around helplessly through the air, maybe I could see Superman doing the same to him the point of a BFR. Needless to say, I haven't.

I don't see Superman lasting long enough against a high-end mystically charged superbrick like Mangog to think that stuff out. Took Thor getting his a$$ beat half a dozen times or more to try that desperate gambit of throwing Mjolnir down Mangog's throat. And that was all initiated with a cheapshot from Thor.

If Superman throws his head down Mangog's throat to heat vision him deep in his gut, Mangog just eats him like he did to Thor in Tears of the Gods.

I don't think he'd need to stick his head in Mangog's mouth to heat vision him down his gullet, given his precision and speed in utilizing said heat vision.

I do think it's an unlikely scenario, albeit a possible one.

I really don't see Superman trying the HV down the throat tactic, it just seems majorly OOC for him.

Why would he even attempt that? Is he receiving info from Thor last fight against Mangog.?

I don't think so. Given his combat smarts and the fact that Mangog has a huge mouth (pause), it's entirely possible Superman would burst him with heat vision by accident that just happens to strike Mangog there.

That said, outside of that and attempting to forcibly move Mangog for BFR, I don't think Superman could win. He could stagger and cause Mangog pain, but win a majority or even split with him? Nah. I don't think it's quite outright spite though.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

Would heat vision even do what Thor antimatter blast accomplished? Let's not forget, this was an amped Thor.

^ Thor wasn't amped at that point. It was classic "round 2-style" Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't think he'd need to stick his head in Mangog's mouth to heat vision him down his gullet, given his precision and speed in utilizing said heat vision.

I do think it's an unlikely scenario, albeit a possible one.

Heat vision with precision and speed I don't doubt. It's the required high-end intensity and requisite weathering of Mangog's assault (that is, yes, also magical) all at the same time with his precision and speed that I've never seen.

Just seems more likely that Mangog blitz-punches Superman into ground beef (figuratively anyway).

Originally posted by carver9
Would heat vision even do what Thor antimatter blast accomplished? Let's not forget, this was an amped Thor.

It was an Anti-Force blast, not anti-matter. And Thor hadn't received his amp yet.

Given the power levels of Superman's heat vision - and that's without trying to hype it as "1/4 Big Bang" levels or something as equally dumb - I don't see Mangog no selling it.

The amp happened after the Mangog fight.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Thor wasn't amped at that point. It was classic "round 2-style" Thor. Heat vision with precision and speed I don't doubt. It's the required high-end intensity and requisite weathering of Mangog's assault (that is, yes, also magical) all at the same time with his precision and speed that I've never seen.

Just seems more likely that Mangog blitz-punches Superman into ground beef (figuratively anyway).

I do think Mangog beating down Superman is the most likely outcome, yes.

I just don't think it's quite spite-tastic.

It's pretty much spite imo.. It's not Spiderman vs. Galactus level spite, but it's spite non the less. It would be like The Thing vs. Superman... Could the thing land something, that does a little something, sure, but he would still lose convincingly

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's pretty much spite imo.. It's not Spiderman vs. Galactus level spite, but it's spite non the less. It would be like The Thing vs. Superman... Could the thing land something, that does a little something, sure, but he would still lose convincingly
lol

Let me see
what are Superman's best strength feats?
what are his best durability feats?

I just want to see if you know about the character since you are citing this spite BS.

Do I need to cite him being tossed around like a weak feeb by doomsday.. Titus... Grundy.. Konvict.. DS etc etc? He has just as much a history of getting tossed around like a weak feeb as he does high end showings. Now you tell me.. which fights of his give you the impression he can take a majority against Mangog?

The fact that supes has been shown to get beat (or matched) by guys like Grundy and doomsday, who are way down the scale from Mangog, makes my decision that Mangog wrecks here more feasible