Originally posted by LightsnakeI never said he didn't - just that Bane's strength alone isn't going to grant him an automatic win as someone else implied.
Faunus, I'm not taking much a stance here once way or the other, but I'm certain Bane is bigger than Kun and extremely strong....In the physical department, I would wager he does have at least a partial strength advantage over Kun-indeed, over most humans.
Although it's true Bane was incapable of defeating Kas'im with sheer strength, Kas'im, I believe, was described as extremely muscular with every muscle perfectly tuned, along with his skill-though, granted, this applies to Kun as well, likely.Agreed. And I'm not saying Kas'im was a weakling, but I doubt he's more built than Kun. I imagine him being more lithe and athletic than heavily muscled.
Another problem for kun are those orbalisks, but given he can slice through Mandalorian iron, with enough power, he could probably cleave through them-whether he could do so in time is a bit up in the air.Orbalisks or not, Bane's head goes unprotected, and I doubt that it can stand up to repeated amulet blasts or lightsaber strikes to the joints.
Another factor ends up being speed and given the lack of proof for speed in Kun's department-anyone correct me if I'm mistaken- but I think the edge goes to Bane there...Possibly. We don't have enough details about Kun to decisively say he's faster or slower than Bane, but by the way he wields his lightsaber against Vodo I wouldn't say "slow" is an apt description of him.
As for Kun's weapon: It's extremely difficult to get a fair grasp of the proficiency and effectiveness of the technique since Kun uses it against two people who lack any feats of their own-Vodo and Ood. I'm not disparaging Kun's skill with it-he's certainly highly proficient as a duelist with the double bladed saber and Bane can't know all of his moves-by the same token, Bane's from an era of saber combat more advanced and trained by one of the best, so it's safe to say he could adapt in the duel.I never actually took a side. Just pointed out that Bane can't simply outmuscle a guy like Exar Kun. He's bigger, stronger, and has greater reach, but he's not leagues ahead of his opponent in the physical department by any standard. Kun grabbed the short and stocky Chancellor by the back of his head and lifted him off to the side with one arm. That's nothing to scoff at, and that's all I'm arguing.All in all, this is pretty up in the air.
Personally, I think Exar has more knowledge - having studied the notes and lived in the base of Naga Sadow, thus having first-hand experience of things that Bane could only learn through a Holocron - and in the amulet, a potentially devastating weapon. So I think he has this, but the lack of truly tangible information on his swordsmanship as of his prime keeps me from saying anything outright. In that regard, he's somewhat of an unknown.
Originally posted by Faunus
[BOrbalisks or not, Bane's head goes unprotected, and I doubt that it can stand up to repeated amulet blasts or lightsaber strikes to the joints.
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Here's a pic of it anyhow. And notice that alot of his face seems to be covered too. other than the mouth area.
Originally posted by Faunus
I never said he didn't - just that Bane's strength alone isn't going to grant him an automatic win as someone else implied.
Agreed. And I'm not saying Kas'im was a weakling, but I doubt he's more built than Kun. I imagine him being more lithe and athletic than heavily muscled.
.....ok, we're gonna stop comparing men's bodies starting now
Orbalisks or not, Bane's head goes unprotected, and I doubt that it can stand up to repeated amulet blasts or lightsaber strikes to the joints.
Possibly. We don't have enough details about Kun to decisively say he's faster or slower than Bane, but by the way he wields his lightsaber against Vodo I wouldn't say "slow" is an apt description of him.
I never actually took a side. Just pointed out that Bane can't simply outmuscle a guy like Exar Kun. He's bigger, stronger, and has greater reach, but he's not leagues ahead of his opponent in the physical department by any standard. Kun grabbed the short and stocky Chancellor by the back of his head and lifted him off to the side with one arm. That's nothing to scoff at, and that's all I'm arguing.
Although it's worth mentioning the guy's a Cephalapoid...they're not remarkably heavy creatures if most Octopi I've seen are an indication.
Personally, I think Exar has more knowledge - having studied the notes and lived in the base of Naga Sadow, thus having first-hand experience of things that Bane could only learn through a Holocron - and in the amulet, a potentially devastating weapon. So I think he has this, but the lack of truly tangible information on his swordsmanship as of his prime keeps me from saying anything outright. In that regard, he's somewhat of an unknown.
LS:
Moreover, Vodo also took down Kun when he was a Padawan and Kun performed a win against a likely surprised Vodo-of whom your idea of 'was the ultimate saber trainer' to Jedi is pure conjecture without much evidence surrounding him.
Actually, you should read the Intro narration for the next two comics: they say explicitly that Kun "humiliated" his master when he had both blades and that he "cruelly defeated" him. Considering Vodo was the one teaching everyone how to wag their glowstick and not Odan-Urr or someone else seems to imply that he's qualified for it. And considering that he uses his walking stick as a weapon against lightsabers further hints at this. Anoon taught saber usage, as did Cin Drallig and Kavar, and none of those guys sucked.
Granted, I can't nail down anything concrete right now, but my eyes are killing me from work. I'll sort through the comics later.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
LS:Actually, you should read the Intro narration for the next two comics: they say explicitly that Kun "humiliated" his master when he had both blades and that he "cruelly defeated" him. Considering Vodo was the one teaching everyone how to wag their glowstick and not Odan-Urr or someone else seems to imply that he's qualified for it. And considering that he uses his walking stick as a weapon against lightsabers further hints at this. Anoon taught saber usage, as did Cin Drallig and Kavar, and none of those guys sucked.
Granted, I can't nail down anything concrete right now, but my eyes are killing me from work. I'll sort through the comics later.
Drallin, Anoon and probably Kavar were Battlemasters and Saber Instructors for the order as a whole. Vodo is not training oodles of Jedi in the majestic Coruscant Temple: He's training the three Apprentices he's working with on the remote Dantooine. This doesn't imply 'Saber Master for the entire Order'...so far, Vodo has four confirmed apprentices (Sylvar, Crado, Exar and Krynda Draay, AKA: possibly Kreia) The latter was trained, apparently before the other three. It does, also tend to be the Master's responsibility to teach a Jedi about swordplay.
Despite being Battlemaster, Anoon was training his apprentice Darsha
Obi-wan's the one who trained Anakin
Dooku trained Qui-Gon in dueling
There are lots of examples
I don't deny Kun beat Vodo, but to claim it was pure skill against pure skill in their first little duel is a bit strange
Orbalisks or not, Bane's head goes unprotected, and I doubt that it can stand up to repeated amulet blasts or lightsaber strikes to the joints.
i'm not sure kun would use the amulet blast he didn't in his duels against Ulic or Vodo, there must be a reason
either
1 the blast isn't as powerful as everyone makes it seem
in that case Bane's armor should be enough to stop it
or
2 Kun would rather just fight with his lightsaber
in this case Kun wouldn't use it because they would start dueling and Bane wouldn't let Kun disengage so he could fire it
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsWell i doubt that ulic or vodo was a large enough threat to use it on, Besides when he was in deep shit after the sith wyrm tried to kill him, he used it due to it being a major threat to his existence and against some one like bane im pretty sure he would use it.
i'm not sure kun would use the amulet blast he didn't in his duels against Ulic or Vodo, there must be a reason
Thats just my opinion so i may be wrong
