Originally posted by illadelph12
Do you have a scanner? This could be good for a knowledge base at least.
Aizen vs. Ichigo and renji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCVzlGsZP4
Ichigo vs. grimmjow( note that Grimmjow is only a midlevel minion of Aizen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqkbPMMOkKo&mode=related&search=
You're forgetting the fact that Ichigo was severely wounded and weakened when he attacked Aizen, and even earlier in his fight with Byakuya his hollow side commented that his speed had decreased and his bones were broken. Not that it would make any difference, the gap in speed here is just too great.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You're forgetting the fact that Ichigo was severely wounded and weakened when he attacked Aizen, and even earlier in his fight with Byakuya his hollow side commented that his speed had decreased and his bones were broken. Not that it would make any difference, the gap in speed here is just too great.
Also just to note, Aizen was fighting Ichigo and renji with when in shikai.
Aizen has not used Bankai, which is ten times more powerful than shikai, Aizen also possesses the item to create vaizards, so it is highly likely that he will become one himself, and vaizard from is 10 times more powerful than bankai. therefore Aizen was probably playign around with them while using less than 1% of his full power.
Aizen chastising Grimmjow using Reiatsu alone(in order to do this you must be far far stronger than your opponent)
Originally posted by Akuki
The issue isn't whether on not Superman is faster, that isn't in dispute, the question is whether or not Aizen is strong and fast enough to survive that first initial moments of the fight so that he can get his sword out. Aizen certainly fast enough to unsheath his sword and say two words before Supes finish him off.
I highly doubt that. If combatants start half a kilometer away from each other, then depending on what calcs you use, Superman can cross that distance in anywhere from 0.0000003 seconds to 0.0000000000000003 seconds. Aizen's got nothing on that.
Also keep in mind that he has several technical devices to help him out as well, such as the cube that he carries that when activated on a person causes them to be trapped in a miniature pocket dimension for eternity.
That only works on Arrancar subordinates, and AFAIK only arrancar use it.
If Aizen can survive the first inital moments in order to activate kyouka suigetsu, then this fight becomes a good deal fairer. Aizen can force Superman to slow down, by making the streets different and etc, so that Superman doesn't know if by going superspeed he will run over civilians and kill them.
Standard assumption is there are no civilians to get in the way of a battle unless specified in the OP.
Also just to note, Aizen was fighting Ichigo and renji with when in shikai.
Since we've never seen his bankai, this line of reasoning only leads to pointless speculation.
Aizen has not used Bankai, which is ten times more powerful than shikai, Aizen also possesses the item to create vaizards, so it is highly likely that he will become one himself, and vaizard from is 10 times more powerful than bankai. therefore Aizen was probably playign around with them while using less than 1% of his full power.
More speculation. Try some actual facts. Besides, the Hougyoku has only been used to create Arrancars so far, not Vaizards.
But how will Superman be able to cross that distance if he's being pinned by a supernatural force that pins him to the ground via is soul? Also I mentioned in the first post that this took place in downtown metropolis, so that was assuming a civilian presence. As for the cube, there was no mention that it only worked on specific individuals, simply that was why it was given to them. As for speed, first of all you're ignoring the traditional superman pysche. Show me one fight he's been in where he has immediately speedblitzed his opponent without at least exchanging one or two words first.
2. While Aizen may not appear to be extremely sturdy, he's taken some amazing hits. his barehanded blocks are extremely impressive. For example he's been shown taking everything from a punch from a creature that is the size of a 10 or 12 story building without any effect, blocking ichigo's fully upgraded bankai with his finger, and blocking renji's sword attack with his palm.
Originally posted by Akuki
But how will Superman be able to cross that distance if he's being pinned by a supernatural force that pins him to the ground via is soul?
He'll attack before Aizen can react. Besides, different energy sources like Bleach reiatsu, Naruto chakra, DBZ ki, Star Wars Force, etc. are usually assumed to be interchangeable for debate purposes, so it would only work on someone weaker than him, Superman could overcome it with his own power.
Also I mentioned in the first post that this took place in downtown metropolis, so that was assuming a civilian presence. As for the cube, there was no mention that it only worked on specific individuals, simply that was why it was given to them.
Then how come it's never been employed as a weapon, but only as a tool against their own subordinates? You would think they would have considered that. Besides, it wears off after a while.
As for speed, first of all you're ignoring the traditional superman pysche. Show me one fight he's been in where he has immediately speedblitzed his opponent without at least exchanging one or two words first.
Wonder Woman Sacrifice arc.
2. While Aizen may not appear to be extremely sturdy, he's taken some amazing hits. his barehanded blocks are extremely impressive. For example he's been shown taking everything from a punch from a creature that is the size of a 10 or 12 story building without any effect, blocking ichigo's fully upgraded bankai with his finger, and blocking renji's sword attack with his palm.
Yes, and this compares to someone who can smash moons with one punch. 🙄
Originally posted by superkronick92
Look, if all else fails, Supes could just lift up the contenent Aizen is standing on and chuck it into space
Originally posted by Akukiyou got a point there the only things sups has to combat Aizen is T-vo
Aizen can simply either teleport or go into the hueco mundo dimension to avoid that. In response to the point about energy sources, that really isn't an issue. The main issue is what they target, reiatsu is a magical type of attack that attacks a persons soul. This is simply a case where brute physical strength is not an issue, because the attack does not effect the actual body so much as the spirit within the body. Superman is a fighter whose powers are based entirely only physical strength, when it comes down to it reiatsu is a type of power that must be combatted through some sort of supernatural means.
I think the best way to think about this is like Dr. Strange's Astral form. That form is an embodiment of his soul, and if Aizen ejected his soul then it wouldn't do any good since all of strange's powers go with him. however in supermans case Aizen soul ejection would get his soul out, and since all of supermans powers are physical they would remain within his body.
Originally posted by Akuki
Aizen can simply either teleport
Since when can he teleport?
or go into the hueco mundo dimension to avoid that.
Not if the world is crashing down around him. He'd be dead.
In response to the point about energy sources, that really isn't an issue. The main issue is what they target, reiatsu is a magical type of attack that attacks a persons soul. This is simply a case where brute physical strength is not an issue, because the attack does not effect the actual body so much as the spirit within the body.
No it's not, it's just a type of spiritual energy.
Superman is a fighter whose powers are based entirely only physical strength, when it comes down to it reiatsu is a type of power that must be combatted through some sort of supernatural means.
No - limits fallacy.
I think the best way to think about this is like Dr. Strange's Astral form. That form is an embodiment of his soul, and if Aizen ejected his soul then it wouldn't do any good since all of strange's powers go with him. however in supermans case Aizen soul ejection would get his soul out, and since all of supermans powers are physical they would remain within his body.
So is that why Chad and Orihime went to Soul Society in their physical bodies and fought against Shinigami just fine? 🙄
[i]So is that why Chad and Orihime went to Soul Society in their physical bodies and fought against Shinigami just fine? 🙄 [/B]
As for the teleportation that was shown in the Soul Society arc where Aizen and gin teleport over to the execution hill.
Also Aizen can just have one of his pet Meno's evacuate him via the light beam as was shown when he left soul society.
Originally posted by Akuki
that's because the gate created by Urahara transformed their bodies into pure spirit particles, or basically the same things that Shinigami are composed of.
I don't recall that being mentioned. Besides, Chad was fighting hollows back on earth before he got his powers.
As for the teleportation that was shown in the Soul Society arc where Aizen and gin teleport over to the execution hill.
They were there all the time, it was just an illusion that they weren't.
Also Aizen can just have one of his pet Meno's evacuate him via the light beam as was shown when he left soul society.
Which counts as a forfeit
Originally posted by Endless Mikeacctually he's right they were converted to their spirit froms when they went to soul society, also chad and inoue were able to effect hollows do to their high spiritual energies
I don't recall that being mentioned. Besides, Chad was fighting hollows back on earth before he got his powers.They were there all the time, it was just an illusion that they weren't.
Which counts as a forfeit
and no Aizen and Gin were not there the whole time they did indeed use a teleportation spell
and yes that would be a forfeit