Originally posted by lando005
in a sense he can pull his opponents into his own pocket astral plain in where he creates the rules of that reality and is nothing short of a god
This is just stupid.
Akui why did toy make this thread? You obviously had no intention of giving Superman a fair fight.
For some reason you seem to think that reiatsu pressure would affect a DC character, that's just a complete load of bull. Why does Bleach rules apply? Why not the DC rules. If you set this in the DC rules, Aizen would be dead. I'm sure you would deny that flash could steal all his speed and claim that Aizen didn't follow the rules of the speed force.
You have absolutely no idea how high Superman's reiatsu would be if he was a bleach character, which is why it's completely stupid to try and force these bleach terms on Superman.
Originally posted by llagrokto that same effect we cant force dc rules on bleach. However both rule sets apply in this match the point i believe he is making is although superman is by far Aizen's superior in the physical relm Azien is his in the spiritual world. Honestly I think sups spiritual power (while not as great as his physical) should atleast be that of a leutenat in bleach h's been through enough to build up his inner soul. It's thesame with marvel rules vs dc rules only thing is people more readily accept different comic rules because the general concept is almost the same. It has been stated that superman can see spirits that's not the problem the problem is Aizen's shikai which WOULD indeed work on sups, at the same note if sups uses t-vo Azien looses badly
This is just stupid.Akui why did toy make this thread? You obviously had no intention of giving Superman a fair fight.
For some reason you seem to think that reiatsu pressure would affect a DC character, that's just a complete load of bull. Why does Bleach rules apply? Why not the DC rules. If you set this in the DC rules, Aizen would be dead. I'm sure you would deny that flash could steal all his speed and claim that Aizen didn't follow the rules of the speed force.
You have absolutely no idea how high Superman's reiatsu would be if he was a bleach character, which is why it's completely stupid to try and force these bleach terms on Superman.
There is the point that Superman has vastly enhanced senses, so Aizen's illusions probably wouldn't be convincing enough to fool him (since in order to fool him Aizen would have to simulate things like what atoms and molecules looked like, and nonvisible spectra of light, background cosmic radiation, sounds from all over the planet, etc. and he has no idea or experience on how to replicate these things)
Originally posted by Endless Mikehis illusionary powers are not scientific in nature it's the same as if doc strange were to cast an illusionary spell over him his senses may be great but the flow of magic does not apply to the laws of science even the other captains who are on par with Aizen fell under his spell it not only tricks your senses but your preception
There is the point that Superman has vastly enhanced senses, so Aizen's illusions probably wouldn't be convincing enough to fool him (since in order to fool him Aizen would have to simulate things like what atoms and molecules looked like, and nonvisible spectra of light, background cosmic radiation, sounds from all over the planet, etc. and he has no idea or experience on how to replicate these things)
Originally posted by lando005
his illusionary powers are not scientific in nature it's the same as if doc strange were to cast an illusionary spell over him his senses may be great but the flow of magic does not apply to the laws of science even the other captains who are on par with Aizen fell under his spell it not only tricks your senses but your preception
The illusion is directed by his mind. He has to create it in his head, or else how does it know what he wants them to see?
Originally posted by Endless Mikeit's more on the lines of he wills the illusions onto them for example if he wanted to cast an illusion on you and make you see a bear or something infront of you he does it and one pops up the minor details like smell and stuff like that acctually are being super imposed on your mind kind of like if you think something long enough it becomes the truth like if you think your freezing in the desert sun it's 120 degrees outside but your mind is telling you it's 20 below ofcouse this is after you've viewed his shikai release.
The illusion is directed by his mind. He has to create it in his head, or else how does it know what he wants them to see?
Originally posted by lando005
it's more on the lines of he wills the illusions onto them for example if he wanted to cast an illusion on you and make you see a bear or something infront of you he does it and one pops up the minor details like smell and stuff like that acctually are being super imposed on your mind kind of like if you think something long enough it becomes the truth like if you think your freezing in the desert sun it's 120 degrees outside but your mind is telling you it's 20 below ofcouse this is after you've viewed his shikai release.
That's directly contradicted by the fact that Unohana realized that Aizen's illusionary corpse was not real because he didn't have the medical expertise she did.
Originally posted by Endless Mikegood point although she did not know exactly what was wrong with the corps except that something was off about it. i'll look into it some more but the closest thing i can compare it to is like a mystical version of the matrix
That's directly contradicted by the fact that Unohana realized that Aizen's illusionary corpse was not real because he didn't have the medical expertise she did.
Originally posted by lando005
good point although she did not know exactly what was wrong with the corps except that something was off about it. i'll look into it some more but the closest thing i can compare it to is like a mystical version of the matrix
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If you ignore the whole bullshit about how Bleach shinigami can't be seen by normal people (and even including that, Superman has some kind of wacky "soul vision" power), then Superman wins easily, since he can speedblitz him before he can even draw his sword, and he has strong mental resistance to illusions and such. There's nothing Aizen could really even do to hurt him, unless you want to make the argument that his powers count as magic and would affect Superman's vulnerability to it.
Yeah, but Aizens illusions are supposed to be unbreakable. The only person that has ever broken them is Unohana Retsu and we do not know how she did it. I dunno if T-vo could help him break it.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yeah, but Aizens illusions are supposed to be unbreakable. The only person that has ever broken them is Unohana Retsu and we do not know how she did it. I dunno if T-vo could help him break it.
Originally posted by lando005
no he really couldn't like i said it's like being stuck in the matrix even if you know something is wrong you cant "wake up" from his spell the will of the person is not a factor
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsunot really it carries over your spiritual properties and spiritual energies superman's powers lay in his physical body granted he'ld have some power due to his experience his soul has probably built up a lot of energy but nothing compared to Aizen
But, in bleach your soul has the same properties as your human form.