Aizen Sousuke vs. Superman · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

superkronick92 Senior Member

Originally posted by Akuki
Supe's has been mindcontrolled by plenty of people who are less adept than Aizen. For god's sakes he's been mind controlled by poison ivy.

Poison Ivy had Kryptonite lipstick.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by superkronick92
Poison Ivy had Kryptonite lipstick.

Really 🙁 I wasn't under the impression that kryptonite did anything to supes willpower.

llagrok Restricted

Originally posted by superkronick92
One, ML was straight up mind control.
Two, He literally had been ebbing into Superman's mind for years.

Poor logic mate.

He did not control Superman by using commands, like a telepath does when they use "mind control" He used illusions to get the wanted effect. Hence why Superman thought he was fighting Doomsday and not Diana.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by llagrok
Poor logic mate.
He did not control Superman by using commands, like a telepath does when they use "mind control" He used illusions to get the wanted effect. Hence why Superman thought he was fighting Doomsday and not Diana.

And to be honest Aizen's illusions are far better than Lord's for a couple of reasons.
A) Lord's illusions weren't as good at blending into real life, he was showing dramatic events to make supes take action, Aizen is far more subtle with his illusions, allowing him to slowly change superman's perceptions over great periods of time without arousing Supe's suspicions. Aizen can make the illusions blend so well that the opponent doesn't eben think to fight them because they don't know they are there.
B) Lord's illusions take a lot of effort and therefore can't be sustained for a long period of time at once, Aizen's is permanent and keep going even without him having to exert effort on it.

superkronick92 Senior Member

Originally posted by llagrok
Poor logic mate.
He did not control Superman by using commands, like a telepath does when they use "mind control" He used illusions to get the wanted effect. Hence why Superman thought he was fighting Doomsday and not Diana.

I see you're point but ML still had to work at Supes mind for years before he could accomplish that.

lando005 Senior Member

Originally posted by superkronick92
I see you're point but ML still had to work at Supes mind for years before he could accomplish that.

that could be because it was a more suddle approach than an out right attack

llagrok Restricted

Originally posted by superkronick92
I see you're point but ML still had to work at Supes mind for years before he could accomplish that.

Because that's the way he works. Aizen doesn't need to avoid his cover being blown here.

Charlotte DeBel White Queen of KMC

To all the speedblitz admirers:
1.The fight is in the inhabited area
2. The fight is in lower layers of atmosphere

That means Supes won't be travelling faster than Max10-12 there to avoid massive collateral damage.
That's still extremely fast, but not that unbearably fast.

I'm NOT claiming that Superman is slower than Aizen, he's definetely much more faster...just IC-speedblitz in said settings would be much more modest.

llagrok Restricted

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
To all the speedblitz admirers:
1.The fight is in the inhabited area
2. The fight is in lower layers of atmosphere
That means Supes won't be travelling faster than Max10-12 there to avoid massive collateral damage.
That's still extremely fast, but not that unbearably fast.
I'm NOT claiming that Superman is slower than Aizen, he's definetely much more faster...just IC-speedblitz in said settings would be much more modest.

I don't think we know how much faster Superman is. If he is faster at all. It's reasonable to assume that Aizen is one of the fastest characters in the Bleach verse.

chickenlover98 Loving Chickens

true im sure that would disrupt the world if this was in bleach or reality, but seeing as this is a comic they introduce retarded ways for no one else to be hurt. like he'll yell get out of the way or something.

point is he probably wouldnt hurt ne one

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by llagrok
I don't think we know how much faster Superman is. If he is faster at all. It's reasonable to assume that Aizen is one of the fastest characters in the Bleach verse.

Ichigo can be calculated to move at about mach 35, and Aizen's faster than that. Check the respect thread in my sig if you want to see the math.

Soljer Beware my Power

Fastest in bleach verse?

Is that anywhere near the ballpark of being fast enough to cross some thirty lightyears in minutes?

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by Soljer
Fastest in bleach verse?
Is that anywhere near the ballpark of being fast enough to cross some thirty lightyears in minutes?

No, but the settings make that sort of speed impossible if we're taking superman's character into account.

superkronick92 Senior Member

Supes could just HV the whole battlefield.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Akuki
No, but the settings make that sort of speed impossible if we're taking superman's character into account.

I realize your stipulations, I was merely asking llagrok who claimed that we don't really know how much faster Superman is.

llagrok Restricted

Originally posted by Soljer
I realize your stipulations, I was merely asking llagrok who claimed that we don't really know how much faster Superman is.

We know that he's faster, just not how much.

Aizen doesn't fly in the same way that Superman does.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by llagrok
We know that he's faster, just not how much.
Aizen doesn't fly in the same way that Superman does.

Unless he has some claim to approaching C, the difference between mach 15 and mach 20 will be so infinitesimal as to not matter.

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by llagrok
We know that he's faster, just not how much.
Aizen doesn't fly in the same way that Superman does.

Bleach doesn't really approach lightspeed, which is where Supes generally fights at in his in space battles. For now the only slightly lightspeed feat we have is Yoruichi and Soi fong dodging a lightspeed attack, however that's debatable since they appear to have started moving before the attack was launched.

Sandai Kitetsu Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Akuki
His soul wouldn't have all his physical properties, in bleach the soul contains your spiritual power, such as soul reaper abilities and the like. Just because you may be amazingly buff in your human body doesn't mean that strength transfers over to your spiritual body. Ichigo's physical body isn't all that strudy, but his shinigami for is. In Bleach there is a clear disconnect between soul power and physical power. Just because you have one doesn't mean you have the other.

That's because in bleach, the main energy manipulators operate outside physical boundaries. Even then, they still use physicall base attacks. If were going by one sided rules, then of course Aizen wins.

superkronick92 Senior Member

Quick Question, are Aizen's illusions in ones mind or do they manifest physically, like does only the person he's focusing on see the illusion or is it their for everyone to see? So, is it in the mind or physical?