Originally posted by marwash22TBH the ship wasn't really all that big if thats what your talking about.
man, i need to watch DBZ to freshen up on the material 'cause some of the things you say do not make sense at all.Anyhow, you're comparing him being able to see a space ship and him not being able to see two human sized people...
think about that for a minute.
Originally posted by marwash22
Hating? So now you're not only the biggest fanboy wanker on the site, you're an empath who knows my feelings? GTFO.Again, you're comparing a ship moving through space in a straight line, to two humans-sized people who are moving erratically; you're a moron.
So why was he able to track vegeta and goku first fight when they were fighting... or how about picollo and frieza fight... he seen the entire fight and was celebrating... ? Answer this for me and you might have an argunent. How can someone track a ship... no matter if it is moving in a straight line ... moving thousands of times the speed of light but can't see 2 objects... no matter if they are zig zagginf moving far less than light? Doesn't make sense to me. If some can track something moving at light speed ... no matter if its in a straight line or not, they should be able to track something moving far less than light.
size of the ship doesn't matter, It could have been Iron Man... if Iron man is flying in a straight line, it's not gonna be hard for King Kai to keep track of his movements. Now, take two normal-sized people moving erratically at high speeds... even though he could spot their location, keeping up with their movements is obviously impossible.
Carver is making an illogical argument.
Originally posted by carver9
I will always agree with you, Superman along with Wonder Woman can fight at super speed because they have proven this. Like I said before,, I would give him the first 4 to 5 licks against people in his tier but I would give Goku all of the licks against those same people because they will not lay a finger on him.
Which i'm still waiting on the proof of...
Originally posted by marwash22
size of the ship doesn't matter, It could have been Iron Man... if Iron man is flying in a straight line, it's not gonna be hard for King Kai to keep track of his movements. Now, take two normal-sized people moving erratically at high speeds... even though he could spot their location, keeping up with their movements is obviously impossible.Carver is making an illogical argument.
The argument isn't that he kept up with it... the argument is that he pin poited the object instantly even though it was moving at crazy speeds. After that keeping up with it is irrelevant.
Originally posted by carver9
So why was he able to track vegeta and goku first fight when they were fighting... or how about picollo and frieza fight... he seen the entire fight and was celebrating... ?
Originally posted by carver9You're still not making sense. He also pinpointed the location of Freiza and Goku... he just couldn't track their movements because (unlike the ship which was moving in a straight line and not constantly changing location) they were moving around at a rate he couldn't keep up with. None of that equals Freiza and Goku moving at x times greater than the speed of light, nor does it equal them moving at speeds faster than the ship.
The argument isn't that he kept up with it... the argument is that he pin poited the object instantly even though it was moving at crazy speeds. After that keeping up with it is irrelevant.
Originally posted by carver9
I already proved this to you... I showed you things that he did combat wise that you failed to counter.
No, i showed you the scans. You asking for something that doesn't exist i.e. Superman having long drawn out super-speed fights does in no way prove you're right considering the fact it's two entirely different forms of media.
Your refusal to accept that Superman and Wonder Woman et al can do those same things based on their powers and their feats purely by the simplest logical reasoning does more to say you're wrong than anything else.
Originally posted by marwash22
You're still not making sense. He also pinpointed the location of Freiza and Goku... he just couldn't track their movements because (unlike the ship which was moving in a straight line and not constantly changing location) they were moving around at a rate he couldn't keep up with. None of that equals Freiza and Goku moving at x times greater than the speed of light, nor does it equal them moving at speeds faster than the ship.
I give up on this topic... we are not getting any where.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, i showed you the scans. You asking for something that doesn't exist i.e. Superman having long drawn out super-speed fights does in no way prove you're right considering the fact it's two entirely different forms of media.Your refusal to accept that Superman and Wonder Woman et al can do those same things based on their powers and their feats purely by the simplest logical reasoning does more to say you're wrong than anything else.
Pr... I never said that superman can't fight at super speed but I'm not going to say that he can fight in a fashion that he has never shown just like I'm not going to say goku has a power that he doesn't have.
This isn't even about superman... what I asked was is there any evidence that show that people in marvel or dc can fight at blinding speeds besides the flashes?
Originally posted by carver9Seriously drop it. I've shown you scans, and so have other people. Superman has super speed while fighting. The term "super speed" is based from Superman.
Pr... I never said that superman can't fight at super speed but I'm not going to say that he can fight in a fashion that he has never shown just like I'm not going to say goku has a power that he doesn't have.This isn't even about superman... what I asked was is there any evidence that show that people in marvel or dc can fight at blinding speeds besides the flashes?
You "feigned" the same ignorance when you were asking for proof that Supes could fly ftl a while back. I showed you no less than 5 instances from the past 10 years, all from different DC titles (Superman, Action, JLA, Countdown, Supes/Bats), and you still had a problem.
So yeah, Superman has and can fight and fly at super speed. You not wanting it to be that way doesn't change the facts shown in comics.
Originally posted by Badabing
Seriously drop it. I've shown you scans, and so have other people. Superman has super speed while fighting. The term "super speed" is based from Superman.You "feigned" the same ignorance when you were asking for proof that Supes could fly ftl a while back. I showed you no less than 5 instances from the past 10 years, all from different DC titles (Superman, Action, JLA, Countdown, Supes/Bats), and you still had a problem.
So yeah, Superman has and can fight and fly at super speed. You not wanting it to be that way doesn't change the facts shown in comics.
Originally posted by Badabing
Seriously drop it. I've shown you scans, and so have other people. Superman has super speed while fighting. The term "super speed" is based from Superman.You "feigned" the same ignorance when you were asking for proof that Supes could fly ftl a while back. I showed you no less than 5 instances from the past 10 years, all from different DC titles (Superman, Action, JLA, Countdown, Supes/Bats), and you still had a problem.
So yeah, Superman has and can fight and fly at super speed. You not wanting it to be that way doesn't change the facts shown in comics.
Bada... I know supes can fight at super speed... I even said this in one of my post. That isnt what the debate is about.
I agree with almost everything that you said.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
This is a song for Carver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9XjPwjD6xI
Lol... thanks... I like that song.
Originally posted by carver9Only you have, but I'll drop it. Oh? So the moon being destroyed had a timeframe did it? Show me, and no anime, you already know I will not accept it. Also, um, what? Nappa was just durable enough to tank Chaotzu's suicide explosion, he didn't put up a "defense," where the hell did you get that?
I never told you I'm basing this off of how it looks... picollo destroyed the moon with a blast instantly... picollo used a far more powerful blast and shot it at raditz and raditz dodged iit with ease. Nappa had chazu on his back... a chazu that was blowing up from the inside out... during the explosion nappa was able to put up a defense before the blast caused ant damage or even hit him and all of this happened while chazu exploded. So basically he did this during mid explosion.Then we have him fighting picollo and krillin and tien does a sneak attack and shoot a blast at him... at point blank range... while the blast was directly in his face he put up yet another block and the attack failed... hell, he even dodged the attack at point blank range.
By the way... you still haven't showed me anyone fighting and invisible speed continuously.
Did he actually block or just tank it?
Are you asserting Superman cannot move at 200 miles per hour consistently?
Originally posted by carver9
Pr... I never said that superman can't fight at super speed but I'm not going to say that he can fight in a fashion that he has never shown just like I'm not going to say goku has a power that he doesn't have.This isn't even about superman... what I asked was is there any evidence that show that people in marvel or dc can fight at blinding speeds besides the flashes?
You're missing the point. Entire sections of fight scenes are left out of comics to keep the story moving. Cartoons show every move, every strike unless they're doing that invisible thing.
Comics can't portray fights the way DBZ does because you'd just have a bunch of panels with pretty backgrounds and not much else. So you asking for what you're asking for is faulty by it's very nature.