Originally posted by carver9
but cell throw punches that is felt across the universe.
This is right up there with your “Gladiator flying through a Universe destroying attack without a scratch”
Cell Ki was felt on New Namek, and that was filler. The punches between him and Gohan could only be felt by a nearby city.
Originally posted by Rorschach
😆I not saying Dragonball character can or can not move at light-speeds.
I'm asking from a from the Dragonball manga where it's stated that a character is moving at light speed since carver is asking for a scan where it's stated that Superman can move at light-speed or beyond. To carver, going light-years in a matter of minutes or reaching somewhere faster than light can does not prove Superman is FTL. I'm applying the same to Goku and other Dragonball characters.
And the manga was translated, even scans from the translated versions would do.
So im guessing you cant find a scan of superman going light speed or someone even saying that he is going light speed. I could easily pull up the fight against raditz where it is stated that raditz can move at light speed. Or i could pull up the scan (im still actually looking for it on you tube) where it was stated when goku was fighting tien in the dragonball era. He took off his weighted clothing and it was stated that he could move at the speed of light. After the raditz saga there was no need to bring up them moving above the speed of light because if raditz did then its safe to assume that people that is faaaaaaaaaar superior to him in speed could do it with no problem.
Now, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease show me that scan saying that superman has the ability to move at the speed of light. To my knowledge flash is the fastest earth bound being and it is stated that his top speed is the speed of light anything above that he will open the speed force. If flash is the fastest and going the speed of light opens the speed force then it is safe to say that superman dont go the speed of light unless he is out of the planets atmosphere (in space.).
Originally posted by carver9
So im guessing you cant find a scan of superman going light speed or someone even saying that he is going light speed. I could easily pull up the fight against raditz where it is stated that raditz can move at light speed. Or i could pull up the scan (im still actually looking for it on you tube) where it was stated when goku was fighting tien in the dragonball era. He took off his weighted clothing and it was stated that he could move at the speed of light. After the raditz saga there was no need to bring up them moving above the speed of light because if raditz did then its safe to assume that people that is faaaaaaaaaar superior to him in speed could do it with no problem.
Raditz moving FTL was a dub error, as was "Goku" saying he could move at the speed of light, but I recall it was Yamcha who said something along those lines, about Goku.
And you don't find scans on youtube. 😐
I'm asking for manga scans. You have read the manga, haven't you?
Originally posted by Rorschach
This is right up there with your “Gladiator flying through a Universe destroying attack without a scratch”Cell Ki was felt on New Namek, and that was filler. The punches between him and Gohan could only be felt by a nearby city.
Originally posted by carver9
So im guessing you cant find a scan of superman going light speed or someone even saying that he is going light speed. I could easily pull up the fight against raditz where it is stated that raditz can move at light speed. Or i could pull up the scan (im still actually looking for it on you tube) where it was stated when goku was fighting tien in the dragonball era. He took off his weighted clothing and it was stated that he could move at the speed of light. After the raditz saga there was no need to bring up them moving above the speed of light because if raditz did then its safe to assume that people that is faaaaaaaaaar superior to him in speed could do it with no problem.
Superman and flash have actually raced before
Believe me, Superman has moved at light speed
the scan is out there and eventually someone will post it
But still, no doubt, cell can keep up with superman
P.S
Most people referr to the cartoon versions of the chars, seeing that the manga was somewhat unattainable when dragonball was popular. I think that people shuold specify Manga version, otherwise it shuold be assumed that the cartoon version is the one theyre going by. I know its a comic book forum, but come on. No one read the manga lol
here you go
Originally posted by Rorschach
This is right up there with your “Gladiator flying through a Universe destroying attack without a scratch”Cell Ki was felt on New Namek, and that was filler. The punches between him and Gohan could only be felt by a nearby city.
What are you talking about. I said gladiator flew through a solar system destroying blast. A big difference (not trying to be rude). By the way, no one even register that blast that gladiator flew through. Reed only knew about it because of his equipment. Earth shakes and cities are destroyed when dbz characters are fighting.
Buu and goku had to fight on the ki planet and the entire planet was demolished. When frieza and goku was fighting, besides the blast that frieza hit the planet with, they destroyed everything around them and the planet was shaking because of there power.
You cant provide a scan where it say that superman was moving at that kind of speed because there isnt one. I do know for a fact that he can move that fast in space, along with nova, rogue has done it, terrax, thor, etc... but this is all in space where there is free gravity to move that fast.
Originally posted by Priest
But im certain that Goku and Cells punches was rockin the planet..no?
I don't recall that. I'll check it out in a few minutes.
Right now I'm rushing through fight between Gohan and Cell. To see if there was any chance that any of their punches could be felt across the Universe. 😱
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Superman and flash have actually raced before
Believe me, Superman has moved at light speed
the scan is out there and eventually someone will post it
But still, no doubt, cell can keep up with superman
I guess you havent read the book. It was stated when superman and flash was racing that they were moving at 2000 mps. Flash commented saying "over the years superman has gotten faster". In that race they werent going anywhere near the speed of light. By the way flash rarely goes that fast. Theres no need to when all of his enemies besides zoom has no efficient speed.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
P.S
Most people referr to the cartoon versions of the chars, seeing that the manga was somewhat unattainable when dragonball was popular. I think that people shuold specify Manga version, otherwise it shuold be assumed that the cartoon version is the one theyre going by. I know its a comic book forum, but come on. No one read the manga lol
P.s qris isint that pc supes?
Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about. I said gladiator flew through a solar system destroying blast. A big difference (not trying to be rude). By the way, no one even register that blast that gladiator flew through. Reed only knew about it because of his equipment. Earth shakes and cities are destroyed when dbz characters are fighting.Buu and goku had to fight on the ki planet and the entire planet was demolished. When frieza and goku was fighting, besides the blast that frieza hit the planet with, they destroyed everything around them and the planet was shaking because of there power.
You cant provide a scan where it say that superman was moving at that kind of speed because there isnt one. I do know for a fact that he can move that fast in space, along with nova, rogue has done it, terrax, thor, etc... but this is all in space where there is free gravity to move that fast.
You once said Gladiator flew through a Universe destroying blast, it was just you exaggerating the solar system destroying blast.
The Kai's planet was heavily damaged by the battle between Kid Buu and Goku/Vegeta, but it was still intact.
But this really doesn't have anything to do what I'm asking you for. And that is, scans stating Dragonball characters can move at light-speed or faster.
I'm not saying they can or can't. I just want some actual evidence from you for once.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess you havent read the book. It was stated when superman and flash was racing that they were moving at 2000 mps. Flash commented saying "over the years superman has gotten faster". In that race they werent going anywhere near the speed of light. By the way flash rarely goes that fast. Theres no need to when all of his enemies besides zoom has no efficient speed.
They were moving at OVER 2000MPs. Later on Flash accelerated to lose Superman but Superman was still able to keep up.
I should probably upload those scans to the Superman Respect Thread.
Originally posted by Rorschach
They were moving at OVER 2000MPs. Later on Flash accelerated to lose Superman but Superman was still able to keep up.I should probably upload those scans to the Superman Respect Thread.
You havent read it. Please show me the scans because i OWN the book and it clearly says that they were moving that fast, 2000 mps. They went no where near the speed of light. Flash rarely moves that fast. Rarely. You do know when they go the speed of light thats when the speed force is entered right. You do know that flash had to lend superman his speed when raal created a beam that was stated to go as fast as the speed of light because superman stated himself that he couldnt move that fast. This was when raal wife was trapped on a space ship and the justice league was held captive by the alien race.
Im not going by the manga because it wasnt a long time comic because it wasnt as famous as the cartoon. In the anime it has been stated numerous of times that they can go the speed of light. Whereas it has NEVER been stated or established in comics that superman can do so. You all just seem to use caculations. I want to see it say that. Would you like for me to show you that lovely scan again of it saying that gladiator was moving 100 times the speed of light. Thats the same thing I would like for you to post.
The Adventures of Superman #463 (February 1990)
Written by Dan Jurgens
For the first time, Superman races Wally West! When Mr. Mxyzptlk, that zany (and extremely powerful) imp from the fifth dimension, caught the attention of the Flash and immediately came up with the idea of a race against Superman. He convinced Superman by telling him if he won, Mxyzptlk would return to his home dimension for ninety days. Flash, however, was not interested. Superman, wanting to get rid of his foe, plied reverse psychology, commenting that “what we really have here is a race between Superman and Kid Flash.” Naturally, Wally’s wounded ego came into play and he insisted upon racing.
Mxyzptlk provided a race track around the world—with a few surprises, such as waves passing through the track, the track running under water, giant Mxyzptlk golems, fake tunnels, water sprites—anything to make the race more “entertaining.” Even near the end, nearly dropping from exhaustion, Flash and Superman were tied, until they finally returned to the stadium where they began... and Flash won by inches. Mxyzptlk panicked, revealing that he had lied to Superman—he would leave only if Flash won, and since he had figured Superman was a sure bet...
Note: in this post-Crisis on Infinite Earths story, the two of them are only able to hit about four times the speed of sound. In the earlier races, both Superman and Barry could easily exceed the speed of light. In recent years, Wally has regained near-light speed, and Superman seems to be able to keep up with him. Apparently, Superman’s speed is defined to be just about as fast as the Flash.
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Originally posted by carver9
You havent read it. Please show me the scans because i OWN the book and it clearly says that they were moving that fast, 2000 mps.
Moving at OVER 2000 Miles Per Second
And the Dragonball manga was out before the anime. The anime is an adaptation of the manga, and the manga is seen as the cannon source. Raditz moving FTL is a dub error, later in the US Dub, Goku tells Future Trunks that IT only moves at the speed of light. So if you want to go by the US Dub, Raditz is the fastest Z fighter as Cell himself said he was slower than IT and IT was generally seen as the quickest way to get anywhere.