Originally posted by Takion
I believe Surfer can defeat any DBZ character, why? Doesn't he have energy manipulation?2nd, WTH is Cell goingt o do to Superman? Supes just uses his heat vision.
3rd, theses threads should be stopped.
So is there no escaping the heat vision? Is it impossible for Cell to Instant Transmission away from the blast?
If not how come?
I'm not trying to say that Supes cannot use this against him. I am just trying to be fair to the battle.
Originally posted by SeerQris
So is there no escaping the heat vision? Is it impossible for Cell to Instant Transmission away from the blast?If not how come?
I'm not trying to say that Supes cannot use this against him. I am just trying to be fair to the battle.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Moving at OVER 2000 Miles Per SecondAnd the Dragonball manga was out before the anime. The anime is an adaptation of the manga, and the manga is seen as the cannon source. Raditz moving FTL is a dub error, later in the US Dub, Goku tells Future Trunks that IT only moves at the speed of light. So if you want to go by the US Dub, Raditz is the fastest Z fighter as Cell himself said he was slower than IT and IT was generally seen as the quickest way to get anywhere.
Ok, 1st thing that i would like to say is that, during that race that was almost the end of it and superman or flash was going any where close to the speed that you presume that superman can go and flash kicked it up a knotch and left superman (flash still didnt go the speed of light).
2nd; I know that the comic came out 1st but I dont go by it because the anime provided more and did more. The anime should be where the info came from.
3rd; you do know that when goku did the instant tran in front of vegita that he was impressed at all. The instant transmission is a good way of combatting because you can appear from any direction while fighting an opponent and thats all goku had to do was sense a energy and just teleport to it reserving all of his energy instead of flying, using energy.
Another thing was during the cell fight goku was using instant transmission the entire time but cell kept up. Raditz can move at the speed of light and since raditz could do it then goku should move way above that. Goku just has a cheat power. Not only does he have super speed but he also has the ability to teleport.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, 1st thing that i would like to say is that, during that race that was almost the end of it and superman or flash was going any where close to the speed that you presume that superman can go and flash kicked it up a knotch and left superman (flash still didnt go the speed of light).2nd; I know that the comic came out 1st but I dont go by it because the anime provided more and did more. The anime should be where the info came from.
3rd; you do know that when goku did the instant tran in front of vegita that he was impressed at all. The instant transmission is a good way of combatting because you can appear from any direction while fighting an opponent and thats all goku had to do was sense a energy and just teleport to it reserving all of his energy instead of flying, using energy.
Another thing was during the cell fight goku was using instant transmission the entire time but cell kept up. Raditz can move at the speed of light and since raditz could do it then goku should move way above that. Goku just has a cheat power. Not only does he have super speed but he also has the ability to teleport.
Originally posted by Takion
I believe Surfer can defeat any DBZ character, why? Doesn't he have energy manipulation?2nd, WTH is Cell goingt o do to Superman? Supes just uses his heat vision.
3rd, theses threads should be stopped.
Well your beliefs are wrong. If hulk can stop the surfer than any dragonball z should be a major threat to him.
Originally posted by Takion
If I remember correctly, does the heat vision not travel about twice the speed of light?
If so you have a point, but I am skeptical of Cell being rendered incapable of moving out of the way with an IT. Plus, cell can sense it before it even comes(energy signature sense same thing that allows the dbz universe to dodge insanely), he will never be surprised by it, which should allow him to prep to get out of the way.
Originally posted by Takion
How could Raditz move at the speed of light?
When raditz dodge a blast from picollo coming at him at the speed of light. Thats how. If i threw a punch at you at the speed of light, do you think that you can dodge it. Now if you had speed that was more than the speed of light and i through a punch at you coming at the speed of light, can you dodge it.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, 1st thing that i would like to say is that, during that race that was almost the end of it and superman or flash was going any where close to the speed that you presume that superman can go and flash kicked it up a knotch and left superman (flash still didnt go the speed of light).2nd; I know that the comic came out 1st but I dont go by it because the anime provided more and did more. The anime should be where the info came from.
3rd; you do know that when goku did the instant tran in front of vegita that he was impressed at all. The instant transmission is a good way of combatting because you can appear from any direction while fighting an opponent and thats all goku had to do was sense a energy and just teleport to it reserving all of his energy instead of flying, using energy.
Another thing was during the cell fight goku was using instant transmission the entire time but cell kept up. Raditz can move at the speed of light and since raditz could do it then goku should move way above that. Goku just has a cheat power. Not only does he have super speed but he also has the ability to teleport.
That was near the start of the race, not the end. In the following pages you could see that Superman and Flash had been all over the planet, like France or Paris. If forget which.
Goku only used IT twice in his fight against Cell. The first time he used it to deflect Cell's planet destroying attack, then Cell said he wasn't as fast as IT but was fast enough to beat Goku's ass. Then Goku used it to take Cell by surprise with Kamehameha.
Cell admitted he was slower than IT, Goku told Trunks that IT only moves at the speed of light. Radtiz is faster than light.
So if you choose to go by the US dub, Raditz is faster than Cell.
Originally posted by Takion
How could Raditz move at the speed of light?
He can't, it was a dub error.
Goku after King Kai's training took hours to get back to Earth. If he was even half as fast as the speed of light he would have crossed Serpent Road in a matter of seconds. Also, in the US Dub, Snake Way is much shorter than in the manga.
Originally posted by Takion
If I remember correctly, does the heat vision not travel about twice the speed of light?
With cell moving this fast, you dont think that he could easily dodge ANYTHING that superman could think of doing. Also in this clip your going to see goku fly down to earth in the form of light. Hes going to completely turn into light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum0-bOqEs4
Originally posted by Rorschach
That was near the start of the race, not the end. In the following pages you could see that Superman and Flash had been all over the planet, like France or Paris. If forget which.Goku only used IT twice in his fight against Cell. The first time he used it to deflect Cell's planet destroying attack, then Cell said he wasn't as fast as IT but was fast enough to beat Goku's ass. Then Goku used it to take Cell by surprise with Kamehameha.
Cell admitted he was slower than IT, Goku told Trunks that IT only moves at the speed of light. Radtiz is faster than light.
So if you choose to go by the US dub, Raditz is faster than Cell.
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Now youre lying. Cell never said no such thing. Im going to post the entire fight. Show me where it says that. I would like to ask, do you think going the speed of 2000 mps is slow. Answer this for me. Lets say if i was living in georgia and i wanted to go to new york and i had the speed to go 2000 mps how long do you think it would take for me to get there.
By the way i posted the beginning of the cell fight against goku. Heres the rest. Show me where it say about the IT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdStqccxi2Y&mode=related&search=
Originally posted by carver9
😆Now youre lying. Cell never said no such thing. Im going to post the entire fight. Show me where it says that. I would like to ask, do you think going the speed of 2000 mps is slow. Answer this for me. Lets say if i was living in georgia and i wanted to go to new york and i had the speed to go 2000 mps how long do you think it would take for me to get there.
By the way i posted the beginning of the cell fight against goku. Heres the rest. Show me where it say about the IT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdStqccxi2Y&mode=related&search=
If he didn’t say it in the anime then I was mistaken, he did say it in the manga. I’m waiting for the fight to load on youtube, just to make sure he did or did not say it.
Still, IT was seen as the fastest mode of transportation. And the fact that Goku told Trunks it only moves at the speed of light is a dub error, dub errors which you seem to ignore. If Goku could move faster than light after his training with King Kai (he was stronger than Raditz by then), why did he take hours to get back to Earth?
Here goes the last of the fight. Now with these scans that im showing you all, you should really think about your answer. We all know that superman cant fight this fast. We all know that superman have ever fought anyone that has ever displayed any kind of power or martial arts or fighting techniques that the dragonball z characters has displayed. Just look at the way they are fighting. Its impossible for superman to win. Superman dont have any kind of defense against an assault like this.
I just can think of a reason why you all are voting for him. Especially against a character like cell. Heres the rest of the fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNgkPhy00jw&mode=related&search=
Originally posted by Rorschach
If he didn’t say it in the anime then I was mistaken, he did say it in the manga. I’m waiting for the fight to load on youtube, just to make sure he did or did not say it.Still, IT was seen as the fastest mode of transportation. And the fact that Goku told Trunks it only moves at the speed of light is a dub error, dub errors which you seem to ignore. If Goku could move faster than light after his training with King Kai (he was stronger than Raditz by then), why did he take hours to get back to Earth?
You ask some great questions but these are plot elements. Im sure we can see Superman doing this sub light speeds all the time. We are talking high end feats here not low end. Why doesnt Dr STrange do certain things when he is so power etc... its all plot.
Originally posted by Rorschach
If he didn’t say it in the anime then I was mistaken, he did say it in the manga. I’m waiting for the fight to load on youtube, just to make sure he did or did not say it.Still, IT was seen as the fastest mode of transportation. And the fact that Goku told Trunks it only moves at the speed of light is a dub error, dub errors which you seem to ignore. If Goku could move faster than light after his training with King Kai (he was stronger than Raditz by then), why did he take hours to get back to Earth?
It didnt take hours, it took minutes but he was still lacking the speed of light since it did take minutes. Now the answer to that question was because he was trying to conserve energy, thats why he got on flying nimbus to take him to the battle. He knew that he would need all of his energy during that battle.
Just face the fact and look at that entire battle again, maybe you be able to see why people dont think that superman stands a chance.
Also there is all this talk about Raditz and special beam cannon. I have watched the vid of Picolo blowing up the moon it takes about 2 seconds for his beam cannon to reach the moon. It takes light 1.2 seconds to go from the moon to earth. So i'd say the beam cannon was travling at at least half if not just a little more than half the speed of light. And raditz a low level enemy easily dodged.
Originally posted by carver9
It didnt take hours, it took minutes but he was still lacking the speed of light since it did take minutes. Now the answer to that question was because he was trying to conserve energy, thats why he got on flying nimbus to take him to the battle. He knew that he would need all of his energy during that battle.Just face the fact and look at that entire battle again, maybe you be able to see why people dont think that superman stands a chance.
It took him hours to get back to Earth, not minutes. Vegeta and Nappa waited for hours for Goku to get back before they started fighting. Goku was trying to get to Earth as soon as he could, he even asked for a Senzu bean after he reached Kami's Tower.