Dante vs Superman

It was made under Altus and Capcom agreement (Capcom consulted Altus production team and that version of Dante was allowed by them), and Dante didn't demonstrate anything more there than he shows in DMC games powerwise. That game is just the ultimate show of which was stated in the end of DMC and DMC 2- than Dante has way surpassed his father's potential (his high demonic form in DMC 2 (Sparda form) was shortliving due to balance purposes but powerful enough to kill almost any enemy with a single energy blast) and becomes the strongest demon of his universe. DMC 2 is at about the same time as Nocturne and if you remember, Dante heads to Hell dimension to "clean" it. Nocturne explains how exactly that happens (though the RPG itself rather boring, we get to see Dante closer at its second half and main character is the f*cking emo Dante clearly outshines).

Nocturne Dante has even the same office and same weaponry set as DMC 2 one. And this isn't joke one like Viewtiful Joe version.

But Dante will never have on-panel confirmed planet-busting powers (comets, asterionds- that's allowable, but make him planet buster and he loses all his charm, since fighting skills based game about planet buster ends up being sh*t or comic relief like DBZ or Darkstalkers).

Then you're stuck in a very difficult position because a lot of people do not like to debate without panel/screen evidence.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
So? Timefreeze is nothing to Supes?

Quicksilver does not freeze time, it simply reduces it to 1/3 it's normal speed. Besides, Dante cannot hurt supes.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

He's DEFINELTELY more powerful that all the armies of hell including skyfather level beings?

Armies of hell that were beaten by a girl with conventional fire-arms? The same armies that utilise weaponry from the middle ages?

-Mundus is not Sky-Father level
-Argosax is not Sky Father level

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

His heat vision and ice breath are potent enough to kill a person who can withstand fire and abussal cold of hell like nothing without even need to take a demonic form?

"Hell Fire" is the biggest plot device in fiction. Supes heat vision is hotter then the suns core.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Has Superman fogotten his "interaction" with Wonder Woman's magical sword? Pure strength feats are for Hulk, and I strongly doubt that Superman kills the person with superhuman reaction speed and insane HF before he even has a chance to think.

Are you actually suggesting that Dante is faster than supes?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Dante lacks planet-destroying feats on panel (though he's destroyed some meteors\comets in his high demonic form), but it would be just stupid plotwise to give him ones. He's established himself as the most powerful demon of his universe.

The same universe where:

-Demons are armed with low tech weaponry and get owned by girls with guns 😆

I am no fan of supermans but...

he wins. Dante Does not have the speed or even the power. I am having a hard time seeing how he will harm Superman.

http://devils-lair.org/cutscenes/dmc3/low/37%20-%20M12%20-%20Quick-Silver.avi
Is that 1\3 normal speed? It's more effective than Kain's timestops, overrated by the way. Though for someone with Superman's speed it would be just a slow down to more conventional speed level- not owerwhelming in that state.

How? As far as I know, Supes isn't immune to magic and all of Dante's attack have magical element. Supes still remembers his interaction with Wonder Woman's sword, I hope. The demonic metals will have the same results on him (though the sword of Hephestaes was unearthly sharp, it were its magic properties that allowed it cut through Supes' bioaura).

Speedblitz; Dante dies.

I'm not crazy about Dante's speed, I'm not so irrational fanboy. He's slower that Superman considerably, being able to cut through bullets, run on the walls and to deflect raindrops with his sword to stay dry in the middle of the storm is pre-isotope E Quicksilver speed. I only doubt that he's slow enough for Supes to kill him before he has chance to even think. Ashtar, I haven't lost my mind in whitehaired obsession.
Dante's arsenal of magic weapons is not much worse than Wonder Woman's.

http://devils-lair.org/cutscenes/dmc2/26%20-%20M18%20-%20Despair%20Embodied%20Intro.avi
Definetely canonic (DMC2) fight with skyfather being (Despair Embodied, a being which could wipe the univerce clean of life). DMC 2 and Nocturne are considered to be the part of the same storyline, though in Nocturne it's told from the part of Demi-emo... errr...Demi-fiend.

http://devils-lair.org/cutscenes/dmc1/joch/M09_Ifrit.avi
That's nothing big, just Dante vs demonic embodiment of hellfire, which he gets to do his bidding after defeating it.

He's slower that Superman considerably, being able to cut through bullets, run on the walls and to deflect raindrops with his sword to stay dry in the middle of the storm is pre-isotope E Quicksilver speed.
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Edition: and that's being generous enough.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Then you're stuck in a very difficult position because a lot of people do not like to debate without panel/screen evidence.

I put videos of Dante encountering an abstract being (Despair Embodied) at the end of DMC2 (skyfather level being, true embodiment of despair- universe destroying being).
Pecularities of genre- Dante or other similiar hero can kill abstracts but they'll never be shown destroying planets on panel simple because it would look out of place and cause hero lose the charm (though some people like characters just for being ridiculously powerful).

As for Nocturne, it's hard to find proper videos (and it isn't the same genre as "major" DMC games). But some screenshots were posted there (through the poster is known to make fool of himself via DBZ fanboyism)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=436197&pagenumber=22

Though Nocturne is overstuffed by abstracts, it pictures DMC2 level\age Dante (in DMC 2 he took one REAL abstract on panel, not just demon army general with lots of ambitions, and I've posted the video).

huge dante fan. but he'd lose. he's never been near the level he'd have to be to beat superman.

My major trump card in this debate was Supes' vulnerability to magic-related powers and weaponry. But the thing with speedbltz against timestop is that Supes doesn't start from zero to Max 21 (minimum he has to be to be unnoticed by goy with top combat speed Max3-4 at best) immidiately and that he has to accelerate.

If he can do that really, than it's lights out for Dante. Even cionsidering taking out abstracts (one abstract at least without any douby- Despair Embodied) one punch that teared Saturn's moon and at lest KO is enough. If Dante gets chance to think, he gets chance to try utilizing Superman's magic weakness to him.

But if CIS comes into play, Superman rarely goes on full speed with anyone.
CIS aside and immediate acceleration- handsome whitehaired devil loses that.

DMC 2 storyline was confusing to me.

Is Argosax a demon or what? Is he more powerful than Mundus?

Is despair embodied the true form of Argosax? Or is he a separate, more powerful deity?

To be honest I don't see Dante anywhere near Superman's leagues when it comes to feats.

Entering a who beat who argument is not wise against Supes. I am not claiming that any of you are doing it, but I am merely saying it to stop it from happening. Because Superman has beaten far too many uberly skyfather/multiversal reality warpers beings.

Supes is weak to magic, but it depends on how we portray his weakness. In once instance 2 magic charged blows from Captain Marvel is enough. In another he can soak powerful magical blasts like there is no tomorrow without slowing down.

How will Dante manage Superman going intangible via super speed? Can he handle a thunderclap? A huge dose of heat vision capable of destroying an army of Doomsday clones? Getting frozen and then tossed in the sun? has Dante ever fought at super speed the way Superman did against the Imperiex probe? Are you aware that Superman has knowledge of pressure points that can paralyze?

Argosax just summoned Despair Embodied, which was true abstract entitny, AFAIR.

ANY Superman weakness is subjective. One time he almost loses consciousness from small cryptionite ring, next time huge cryptonite rocks are nothing to him. Depends on the writer.

I'm perfectly aware that Superman's powerset allows him to be perfect body reader...just that he hardly ever does that. Paralyzing via pressure points isn't impressive...if Supes goes hand to hand on convenient speed, Dante has chances (though speed and strength gap is too much in Supes' favour to be covered with fighting skills superiority). Averaging his weakness to magic and giving the powerful blasts Dante can shoot in Sparda form... With Supes fighting on convenient speed (CIS on)Dante wins 6-7\10.
One punch from Supes on Max21 before Dante even has chance to use combat teleportation\timestop with stregth that tore apart Saturn moon would be enough to leave even near immortal high demonic lord comatose. "Perfect" bloodlusted Supes wins 10\10.

Dante has taken thunderclaps from Classic Juggernaut-level crature (Beowulf), that's nothing to him. On speed on which Supes goes intangible Dante woulnd't be able to even react on him. I've already written about Dante taking hell's cold and heat like nothing, also the thing is, Dante posesses combat teleportation and can survive in space unaided, so throw into sun is funny but isn't major Supes' trump card.

I'm not talking about T-Vo since it seems even Supes himself doesn't understand how it works.

Supes with averaged vulnerability to magic and CIS on goes down.
"Perfect" (and a bit unrealistic) bloodlusted Supes who is said to resist things like timestop and to whom magic is a little annouance etc pwns Dante, Vergil, Kain and Kratos at the same time.

CIS on- Dante 6-7\10 (CIS means no instant speedblitz as well as Supes being not motivated enough to resist magic).
Bloodlust and instant speedblitz on- Superman 10\10

That's no way Dante can get a victory over bloodlusted Supes...Superman is too fast and can put Dante in coma for a couple of months at least (though I doubt actual killing). Also really motivated Supes was shown to pwn high demonic lords (ask Blaze) with ease, ignoring whatever demonic magic comes into his way. But to be THAT motivated Supes needs to be shown...err... Dante killng Lois Lane or something else.

When did Dante take a thunderclap from Classic Juggernaut? Do you actually mean Marvel's classic Juggy??

Hell flame is a vague term, Charlotte.

Many characters have stated Superman's Heat Vision to be hotter than the flames of hell, go figure.

In one instance Supes generated enough to heat to destroy and cut through a shield. His HV was vaporizing the block he was in. The guy ended up begging Superman to stop. He has turned an entire planet on flame with his heat vision. Can output more heat than a star to the point human equipment can't even gauge it and he can use it as super speed to boot.

Now...assume Superman is bloodlusted but IC. He attacks Dante at sub light speeds to avoid environmental destruction. Dante somehow survives. Supes punches him out of orbit and follows. Once in space he is free to use his faster than light speed to completely obliterate Dante.

I am not saying Dante is a pushover. It's just that Superman's powerset though limited, is very effective and the most dangerous thing is he KNOWS how to capitalize on it. Even with Superman's limited powerset he can take on guys like the Silver Surfer--whose versatility greatly overwhelms Supes & Dante's combined.

Beowulf's stats are compared to Juggernaut's. I don't know is that true, but his thunderclap attacks were taken easily and without much disturbance.
http://devils-lair.org/cutscenes/dmc3/low/31%20-%20M11%20-%20Beowulf's%20Attack.avi
http://devils-lair.org/cutscenes/dmc3/low/32%20-%20M11%20-%20Beowulf's%20Retreat.avi

Subluminal speeds in atmosphere? Going faster than Max 15 in lower layers of atmosphere is still a great deal of enviromental destruction (unless you're Flash). Max 15 is not a speed over the perception for someone who posesses desent (through nothing more than Max 3, if we leave aside combat teleportation ability, since teleportation is tricky), so timestop\teleporting out of harn's way can come into play.
One punch on true subluminal speed is enough to KO Dante...If Superman is such a sadistic bastard, he might throw unconscious body after that into the sun...
Superman's powers somehow scared the elementals of nature onse AFAIR. So even if Dante channels the power of Ifrit (demonic embodiment of hell fire) it only helps him survive.

I'm NOT comparing Dante to Silver Surfer, Ion or anyone who would thrash him easily since he has entirely nothing over them. The only point why that was made was that under normal curcumstances (not pissed off or something) Superman is weak to magic-related powers and stuff.
I've heard that he was nearly killed once with some bullets containing demonic energy. Through there probably was an element of surprise (since the shots connected), but those bullets easily pententrated Supes' bioaura.

Superman doesn't possess instant acceleration AFAIK, he isn't Flash. So attacking on the earth surface with speeds greater than Max 10 is a bit unreal...
Thunderclap, being just a sound and a pressure wave, isn't wise to use against person with instant healing factor that puts Hulk and Wolvie to shame. Ice breath isn't activated faster than speed of thought of a person with reflexes and reaction speed far better that human's so not faster that timestop.

Dante isn't beating Silver Surfer, Ion or anything of that caliber (though Surfer and Ion would both PWN Superman, and where have I ever mentioned Surfer?). He isn't beating angry ultramotivated Superman who thinks Lois Lane cheated on him with handsome platinum blonde.
He has chances to beat NORMAL non pissed off Superman, who has weakness to magic-related powers.

Weird "scissors, stone and paper" game. People say that Kain can kill Superman. Dante has good chanses against Kain due to being partially resistant to Kain's major trump card- soul manipulation (he was able to resist soul being sucked out of his body for about 15 minutes)...

By the way, if post-crisis Superman was REALLY able to resist timestop "without even noticing it", that means that he>>>>Majestic who was timestopped by person with normal human reaction speed (which I don't really believe to be such inferior to Supes).
But that's a bit offtopic.