T-Vo seems a bit overrated power and... a bit too random to my taste. Though Kryptonians might have invented methods of dealing with mind control and mind probing...but again, if your nervous system is overloaded directly, willpower is left out of play, and your opponent is a mindless vegetable for at least some time.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=456361&pagenumber=13#post9452698
If your brain synapses are fried with pure psionic energy, there's no much space for willpower. That's what I meant.
I agree with that, very much in fact.
People seem to think that resisting someone's mind control is the same as resisting a telepathic assault or something messing up your body. But when someone shuts down your ability to walk, you can't willpower your legs to work again, you lose the ability to walk. Take Charles for example, he can resist pretty much anyone's attempt to control him, but a telepathic assault from Rachel hurt him.
Originally posted by llagrok
I agree with that, very much in fact.People seem to think that resisting someone's mind control is the same as resisting a telepathic assault or something messing up your body. But when someone shuts down your ability to walk, you can't willpower your legs to work again, you lose the ability to walk. Take Charles for example, he can resist pretty much anyone's attempt to control him, but a telepathic assault from Rachel hurt him.
You're right. Some people think that telepathy is an one-dimensional power, while no amount of willpower will save you from skilled telepath who decides to deal with you in a SERIOUS way.
Rutog confuses things again. Though even he understands the difference between pure psionic energy overload (Emma is quite adept in it, and can use bolts of pure psionic energy in TK-like way- like throwing people around with those bolts or psionically "electrocuting" them).
Magneto is able to emulate some TP related stuff, that's is. His magnetic powers give him sort of limited telepathy. I remember him brainwashing people in some old comics back in 70ies.
Willpower is too random something. Hypnosis resistance is OK to me, but when people start overrating it to enormous level...it's just stupid to me.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Magneto is able to emulate some TP related stuff, that's is. His magnetic powers give him sort of limited telepathy. I remember him brainwashing people in some old comics back in 70ies.Willpower is too random something. Hypnosis resistance is OK to me, but when people start overrating it to enormous level...it's just stupid to me.
Agreed.
Also Rutog gave examples of Storm and Magneto...which is weird. Both possess increased electrical potential of brain...that makes the work of telepaths more difficult. Not the willpower, but that. Electomagnetic powers tend to f*ck up telepathical connections to some extent in Marvel, so Storm or Magneto examples aren't quite valid (though that natural resistace is relatively easy to bypass if you're skilled high level telepath and don't care much about causing some damage to victim's brain, and Storm fanboys tend to overrate it sometimes).
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Also Rutog gave examples of Storm and Magneto...which is weird. Both possess increased electrical potential of brain...that makes the work of telepaths more difficult. Not the willpower, but that. Electomagnetic powers tend to f*ck up telepathical connections to some extent in Marvel, so Storm or Magneto examples aren't quite valid (though that natural resistace is relatively easy to bypass if you're skilled high level telepath and don't care much about causing some damage to victim's brain, and Storm fanboys tend to overrate it sometimes).
Storm's telepathic resistance goes up and down all the time, as does Magneto's.
Anyways, "willpower" is overrated by Storm's fanboys as well as Storm's natural defences against mindprobing that are based on static electricity- a byproduct of her powerset.
Fanboys are fanboys...especially the ones of "worshipper" kind. At least I try to be a reasonable fan of the characters I like...
Originally posted by Battlehammer
the ones that have memebers bios and such.I think it was blight who made them
well passione made mine...
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=456361&pagenumber=13#post9452698
If your brain synapses are fried with pure psionic energy, there's no much space for willpower. That's what I meant.
if we're talking about pure bolts, then no, a person shouldnt really have any defence against them (unless its in their powerset, or their mind is unlike a human's)
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Hehe.yet there are still mooks who say Supes can take Jonn.
durfist
the same superman that resisted despero for a time? 😛
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
They love to play their T-Vo trump card...while forgetting one thing. For T-Vo to come into play, Supes has to make contact with his opponent's mind...has to be "allowed" unto it.
And since Supes isn't a true telepath...T-Vo isn't an ultimate trump card.
t-vo is alot of crap... honestly... not all superman fans use it as a defence...
as for willpower, unless its someone like a green lantern or someone with insanely high strength of mind, i think willpower doesnt really come into it and shouldnt be considered...
and storm? no... she should fall to any decent telepath...
Actually Storm is resistant to telepathy (as well as Magneto) only when telepath either wants to play with his/her victim or cares about not damaging person's nervous system. And that's only about the resistance to mind probing or mind control which aren't the only ways of TP assaults...just the most gentle ones. Being immune to them doesn't makes a character immune to all ways of TP assaults in general.
For example, Wolverine was known to be resistant to TP due to his berserk rage... but Emma, being one of the most skilled TP users around, worked with his subconsciousness, rendering his reflexes useless...when mind and body "refuse" to work together, no amount of willpower or berserker rage will help you.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
[B]Actually Storm is resistant to telepathy (as well as Magneto) only when telepath either wants to play with his/her victim or cares about not damaging person's nervous system.
storm's resistance imo isn't what people say it is... it's average at best imo, someone like emma should take her apart...
And that's only about the resistance to mind probing or mind control which aren't the only ways of TP assaults...just the most gentle ones. Being immune to them doesn't makes a character immune to all ways of TP assaults in general.
no shit... 😛
For example, Wolverine was known to be resistant to TP due to his berserk rage... but Emma, being one of the most skilled TP users around, worked with his subconsciousness, rendering his reflexes useless...when mind and body "refuse" to work together, no amount of willpower or berserker rage will help you.
a nice feat for her (honestly it is), but just because it worked on logan doesnt mean it will work on everyone else...
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Actually Storm is resistant to telepathy (as well as Magneto) only when telepath either wants to play with his/her victim or cares about not damaging person's nervous system. And that's only about the resistance to mind probing or mind control which aren't the only ways of TP assaults...just the most gentle ones. Being immune to them doesn't makes a character immune to all ways of TP assaults in general.
For example, Wolverine was known to be resistant to TP due to his berserk rage... but Emma, being one of the most skilled TP users around, worked with his subconsciousness, rendering his reflexes useless...when mind and body "refuse" to work together, no amount of willpower or berserker rage will help you.
KidOmega stuck him in a memory once and if I'm not mistaken, Emma once made him and Beast do a nice little bow after a brief skirmish 😄
Originally posted by llagrok
KidOmega stuck him in a memory once and if I'm not mistaken, Emma once made him and Beast do a nice little bow after a brief skirmish 😄
and then didnt she offer to make them do the tango?
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
If the victim's nervous system is not too different from human one, it should actually work, I think. And a feat with Logan was a nice demonstration of "skilled telepath vs a berserk".
oh, twas... i just believe that there are certain people who are harder to take down than others... and there's also the thing that it sounds like you're talking about turning someone into a vegetable... and alot of characters are reluctant to do that...
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
If the victim's nervous system is not too different from human one, it should actually work, I think. And a feat with Logan was a nice demonstration of "skilled telepath vs a berserk".
While we're on Emma, I must sneak in the fact that Telepaths are really superior to empaths in every way. We've already seen her paralyze a crowd of people, make them orgasm, stop people from feeling pain and amplify pain a thousandfold. The latter one is very impressive in my opinion.
Originally posted by pr1983
and then didnt she offer to make them do the tango?oh, twas... i just believe that there are certain people who are harder to take down than others... and there's also the thing that it sounds like you're talking about turning someone into a vegetable... and alot of characters are reluctant to do that...
There's no long-time "vegetable" effect if done properly, just causing brain synapses to misfire or temporarly blocking some subconsiuos reflexes...though it's still easy to damage a brain, so it's not a stuff any adept TP user would do on daily basis.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
There's no long-time "vegetable" effect if done properly, just causing brain synapses to misfire or temporarly blocking some subconsiuos reflexes...though it's still easy to damage a brain, so it's not a stuff any adept TP user would do on daily basis.
but very few telepaths have the skill to be that precise, is all that i'm saying...