He-Man vs Juggernaut...tug of war

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You don't really know what you are talking about. A 150 horsepower bulldozer can out pull a 500 horsepower Dodge Viper. The main reasons the bulldozer can out pull the viper, is because of the weight and that the dozer has tracks which cover more surface area, coupled with low end torque.

While strength does play a key role in this, there will be a point where it doesn't matter who is stronger.

I wasn't saying it didn't matter at all.

You really do not know what you are talking about; there is a tremendous difference between two engines that when operating at maximum efficiency are within 350 horses of one another, and two characters, one of whom begins a feat with infinite strength, and the other who must build forward momentum to even approach infinite inertia.

He-Man begins the feat with infinite strength; the Juggernaut would not be able to budge, let alone build enough inertia to become unstoppable.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You really do not know what you are talking about; there is a tremendous difference between two engines that when operating at maximum efficiency are within 350 horses of one another, and two characters, one of whom begins a feat with infinite strength, and the other who must build forward momentum to even approach infinite inertia.

He-Man begins the feat with infinite strength; the Juggernaut would not be able to budge, let alone build enough inertia to become unstoppable.

You don't know what you are talking about. If you where to somehow put that Viper engine in the dozer it would be more powerful.

Both of them practically start out on equal ground. Another example would be a sumo wrestler and someone like Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee may be stronger and can punch much faster and harder, but he isn't going to win a tug-o-war match against someone who weighs 500 lbs +.

Besides you really are not taking into account the surroundings. He-Mans feet will be like a nail while the ground is the wood, and Juggernaut is the hammer. He-Man isn't lifting anything, he is pulling, which is far more different.

Infinite strength eventually doesn't make a difference without incredibly fast reflexes.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
He-Man vs Juggs. Juggs grabs his end of the rope and walks the other direction. Now, He-Man is as strong as he NEEDS to be...according to many people. If he needs to be strong enough to stop Juggs forward momentum, could he? It is said that nothin' can stop Juggernauts forward momentum. This is classic Juggernaut.

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Just for arguments sake...let's say that this rope was given enhanced durability by the TOAA...so, the rope will not break under any circumstances.

The ground won't be enough to stop Juggy from moving.

Does He Man have super speed to speed blitz before Juggy starts moving and just drag him before he gets forward momentum?

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You don't know what you are talking about. If you where to somehow put that Viper engine in the dozer it would be more powerful.

Both of them practically start out on equal ground. Another example would be a sumo wrestler and someone like Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee may be stronger and can punch much faster and harder, but he isn't going to win a tug-o-war match against someone who weighs 500 lbs +.

Besides you really are not taking into account the surroundings. He-Mans feet will be like a nail while the ground is the wood, and Juggernaut is the hammer. He-Man isn't lifting anything, he is pulling, which is far more different.

Infinite strength eventually doesn't make a difference without incredibly fast reflexes.

No, you do not know what you are talking about. The point is that your analogy is false, because unlike the engines, not only is there is a greater power differential between He-Man and the Juggernaut, but the characters are not starting out on "equal ground." He-Man begins the feat infinitely stronger than Juggernaut. Hence, the Juggernaut would not be able to budge, let alone build enough momentum to become unstoppable.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He-Man begins the feat infinitely stronger than Juggernaut.

So, he man starts with an infinite amount of strength?

Or limitless?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, you do not know what you are talking about. The point is that your analogy is false, because unlike the engines, not only is there is a greater power differential between He-Man and the Juggernaut, but the characters are not starting out on "equal ground." He-Man begins the feat infinitely stronger than Juggernaut. Hence, the Juggernaut would not be able to budge, let alone build enough momentum to become unstoppable.

You do not know what you are talking about. You can't have infinite strength. You can have the potential for unlimited strength. Plus Juggernaut has never know to show a limit. So Juggs could start out far higher than He-Man does. And from what I have read on this board, He-man gets his strength as he needs it. So Juggs should start out better off.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You can't have infinite strength. You can have the potential for unlimited strength.

According to whom?

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Plus Juggernaut has never know to show a limit.

Nor has He-Man.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
So Juggs could start out far higher than He-Man does.

A character who must build momentum to even approach infinite inertia does not begin on the same or greater level as a character who begins the challenge with infinite strength.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
And from what I have read on this board, He-man gets his strength as he needs it. So Juggs should start out better off.

His power adapts to whatever challenge he is facing. If the challenge is to stop an unstoppable object, then he has the power to stop an unstoppable object.

Wouldn't infinte and limitless be the same thing?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

A character who must build momentum to even approach infinite inertia does not begin on the same or greater level as a character who begins the challenge with infinite strength.

You cant have infinite strength, its impossible, no one does, not even Hulk, or omega, superman, sentry, thor, no one has infinite strength.

Do some research.

The inertia argument is getting old, Juggernaut doesn't have to build inertia to have a limitless amount of strength. The whole "unstoppable" power of his is something completely different from his strength, and has nothing to do with it, its a magical enchantment.

Juggernaut has a limitless amount of strength to start out with. At the same time, so does He-man.

To say who is going to start out stronger is up in the air, and my experiences with these things is it usually boils down to "who you like more".

However, in an attempt to be unbiased, if both have limitless strength, and they start out both tugging on the rope, tugs of wars between even people or groups of strength can go back and forth, however, once it starts to go in Juggs direction, there is nothing He-man can do to stop him, not because of Juggernauts strength, but because of his enchantment.

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Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Wouldn't infinte and limitless be the same thing?

Limtless might mean that thelimit has not been discovered and is more plausible that infinite strength which is nothing more than hyperbole.

Because anyone with infinite strength would be logically unable to hold back. As any portion of infinity is still infinity.

infinity/1 is infinity infinity/2 is infinity etc...

I'm surprised that noone has challenged Skeletor to prove this "infinite" strength claim of Skele- Er I mean Adam Prince of Eternia's claims on the infinite strength thing.

What he doesn't realize is that all it takes is a single step to enact the inertia enchantment.

oh and just so people are aware MotU are fair game under the new revised rules:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to whom?

You're idiot if you think someone or something can have infinite anything. He-Man has the potential for unlimited strength. That doesn't me he instantly has infinite strength. His strength has to climb.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Nor has He-Man.

I am making a point as to how Juggernaut can also fight back. I didn't say He-Man didn't have the potential for infinite strength.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

A character who must build momentum to even approach infinite inertia does not begin on the same or greater level as a character who begins the challenge with infinite strength.

Apply that theory to He-Man having infinite strength. Also, Juggernaut is strong as hell to begin with, he will use those things called muscles.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

His power adapts to whatever challenge he is facing. If the challenge is to stop an unstoppable object, then he has the power to stop an unstoppable object.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You cant have infinite strength, its impossible, no one does, not even Hulk, or omega, superman, sentry, thor, no one has infinite strength.

Do some research.

Listing characters that do not have infinite strength does not prove that He-Man does not have infinite strength or that infinite strength is impossible.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
The inertia argument is getting old, Juggernaut doesn't have to build inertia to have a limitless amount of strength. The whole "unstoppable" power of his is something completely different from his strength, and has nothing to do with it, its a magical enchantment.

I am not addressing the strength of the Juggernaut; I have been addressing the unstoppable nature of the Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernaut has a limitless amount of strength to start out with. At the same time, so does He-man.

To say who is going to start out stronger is up in the air, and my experiences with these things is it usually boils down to "who you like more".

However, in an attempt to be unbiased, if both have limitless strength, and they start out both tugging on the rope, tugs of wars between even people or groups of strength can go back and forth, however, once it starts to go in Juggs direction, there is nothing He-man can do to stop him, not because of Juggernauts strength, but because of his enchantment.

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He-Man begins the feat with infinite strength. For Juggernaut to overcome infinite strength he must have infinite inertia. The Juggernaut does not begin the feat with infinite inertia. For him to even approach infinite inertia, he must build forward momentum.

In short, the Juggernaut must have infinite inertia to overcome infinite strength, but he cannot approach infinite inertia because he cannot overcome infinite strength.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm surprised that noone has challenged Skeletor to prove this "infinite" strength claim of Skele- Er I mean Adam Prince of Eternia's claims on the infinite strength thing.

What he doesn't realize is that all it takes is a single step to enact the inertia enchantment.

oh and just so people are aware MotU are fair game under the new revised rules:

The MVCreations Masters of the Universe comic is in the same continuity, so there are no "revised rules."

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He-Man begins the feat with infinite strength. For Juggernaut to overcome infinite strength he must have infinite inertia. The Juggernaut does not begin the feat with infinite inertia. For him to even approach infinite inertia, he must build forward momentum.

You don't understand the word "infinite". When will He-Man obtain his infinite strength? Never, you can't obtain it.

And He-Man wouldn't start out with a massive amount of strength. Like you said, he adapts.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You're idiot if you think someone or something can have infinite anything.

Simply stating that a character cannot have infinite strength does not prove that he does not.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
He-Man has the potential for unlimited strength. That doesn't me he instantly has infinite strength. His strength has to climb.

That may be how the powers of some characters operate, e.g. the Incredible Hulk, but it is not how the powers of He-Man operate.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I am making a point as to how Juggernaut can also fight back. I didn't say He-Man didn't have the potential for infinite strength.

I am simply indicating that is true of He-Man as well.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Apply that theory to He-Man having infinite strength.

That may be how the powers of theJuggernaut operate, but it is not how the powers of He-Man operate.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Also, Juggernaut is strong as hell to begin with, he will use those things called muscles.

So will He-Man.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
He will never be able to stop Juggernaut.

The will be nothing to stop as the Juggernaut will never start to begin with.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The MVCreations Masters of the Universe comic is in the same continuity, so there are no "revised rules."

Originally posted by Creshosk
Umm.. The Vs Forum just revised its rules. its allowing things only if they have a comic and don't fit in the other sections. I posted the comic to show that it has a comic. ermm

It has several comics.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It has several comics.

Both pullers have unlimited/limitless or whatever strength so that cancels out each other assuming that the magic that powers them both is equal. Juggs size would only come into play if all things were equal but it doesn’t because the force that He-Man is exerting is stronger that the friction that Juggs weight would provide him over the ground which couldn’t withstand the amount of force.

If you assume that He-Man doesn’t start off with unlimited strength by the rules of the forum and tug-o-war he would know basic knowledge of Juggernaut and that he has unlimited strength as well and with the rules of tug-o-war they get to brace themselves before it starts so he could “pump” himself up to that level during the brace period.

I figured it out.
He-man would win. This is how.
Let's assume Juggs can't be stopped while in motion and that the ground cannot be broken as well.

Juggs doesn't have infinite strength (this is a fact). So his grip on the rope would be limited. The essiential needed mystical force that He-man pulls with combined with the unstoppability of Juggs would force the rope outta Juggs hands, for he isn't strong enough to hold on.