Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
My post didn't prove me wrong. I never said 8th Day Juggs had a limit. Where are you getting that from. And it isn't stated which side can gain strength faster.Juggs is strong enough to hold onto that rope long enough for the ground He-Man is standing on to give way to his own power. So basically He-man could pull himself out of his own foot holdings.
The main debate could be if He-Man could gain strength fast enough to pull something like that off. I do agree with the "who can gain strength faster" argument you put forth. I never said anything against it.
There is no line between infinite strength and having the potential for it. There is only potential for unlimited strength. Answer this question, When will He-Man obtain infinite strength? Never. The only thing that could happen is that his strength will just keep rising, and even then he is limited by his own life span.
Also is it stated that opinions for the writers hold no water in the rules?
Most of this contracts itself or doesn't make much sense. There is no "implying" that 8th day is stronger. Thor admitted it and was about to be killed. And nowhere in that comic is Juggs struggling with anything, or implying that he has a limit. I don't know what your ranting about there.
I think we are misunderstanding each other here. First, you are assuming that I am thinking you are confusing infinite strength. I am not!
"Infinite strength" didn't come out of my mouth (post) once. So why are you bringing it up. I am a mathematician. And we both easily know the difference between infinite strength and the potential for limitless strength. For the potential for unlimited strength either means the potential to have infinite strength at one time or the ability to increase one's strength beyond any limit (but never at any one time having infinite strength). We both agree that Juggs and He-man have the latter and not the former (with Juggs this is an assumption though).
Second, you are thinking I was saying that you were implying 8th day Juggs has a limit. I know you didn't say or imply such things. (I didn't misunderstand you here). In your post you were implying that 8th day Juggs was stronger than regular Juggs. Were you not? And if so, doesn't that prove that reg Juggs has a limit suprenum (since he's bounded above by 8th day Juggs).
Third, it was already mentioned much earlier that the ground would give way. But the thread maker then assigned (by implication) that the ground was indestructible just like the rope. Otherwise this thread would have been over a long time ago.
Fourth, you fail to understand how long Juggs would have to react in order to summon (call upon) more strength while the rope is slipping. Less than a nanosecond is the time he needs to react in. And it is well established that Juggs has no such reaction or thinking speed. So the rope would slip from his hands before he would even know it.
Finally, no!, it is not stated in the rules about the opinion of writers holding no water. I didn't even imply this.
But look below at these (you don't have to answer them for they all are moot):
1. Is it possible for a writer to change his mind about a power or ability of a character before they write about them? The answer is yes.
2. Is it possible that later (or current) writers have different opinions about a character that previous writers had? The answer is yes.
3. Should popular (or majority) opinion hold water? No, since the minority opinion could actually be (or have been) the writers of Juggernaut?
But whether or not Juggs can gain more strength through calling upon it is entirely moot when confronted with the fact that Juggs has proven to have slower than nanosecond reaction and thinking times.
