Originally posted by Bardock42
Well...I think it should be pretty clear that people that don't write songs can't be "best songwriters of all time"Though, to be fair, Robbie Williams is credited with writing the songs (generally considered wrongly so, of course)
Well, yes, that's why I even mentioned him. And if he has been credited wrongly for writing his songs, then that's not good. I agree, that's just wrong. I would in that case change my opinion. But as long as he is credited, I have no reason to doubt that. Not until I get more solid evidence.
Regards, Yvonne
Originally posted by yvonnekarate
Well, yes, that's why I even mentioned him. And if he has been credited wrongly for writing his songs, then that's not good. I agree, that's just wrong. I would in that case change my opinion. But as long as he is credited, I have no reason to doubt that. Not until I get more solid evidence.Regards, Yvonne
I told you were to get the evidence, unless you don't actually buy your music.
The man doesn't write his songs. He is being credited with it, by the likes of you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I told you were to get the evidence, unless you don't actually buy your music.The man doesn't write his songs. He is being credited with it, by the likes of you.
-AC
Okay then. *Finds her albums*
In 'Life Thru a Lens' it says: "all songs written by R Williams and G Chambers, except // Old Before I Die written by R Williams, E Bazilian, D Child and // Clean written by R Williams, A Genn, R Hawley, M Slattery P Cook"
In 'I've Been Expecting You' is says: "all songs written by R Williams and G Chambers" with some exceptions like above.
I know though that he didn't write the songs for 'Swing When You're Winning', as he sings cover versions of old songs.
I never denied he's been writing songs with Guy Chambers, infact I mentioned that earlier. I could go on, but I don't really see a point in that.
Regards, Yvonne
Originally posted by yvonnekarate
Okay then. *Finds her albums*In 'Life Thru a Lens' it says: "all songs written by R Williams and G Chambers, except // Old Before I Die written by R Williams, E Bazilian, D Child and // Clean written by R Williams, A Genn, R Hawley, M Slattery P Cook"
In 'I've Been Expecting You' is says: "all songs written by R Williams and G Chambers" with some exceptions like above.
I know though that he didn't write the songs for 'Swing When You're Winning', as he sings cover versions of old songs.
I never denied he's been writing songs with Guy Chambers, infact I mentioned that earlier. I could go on, but I don't really see a point in that.
Regards, Yvonne
That would be true if it actually said those things on the albums, because it doesn't. Unless you have a special version of those albums, of course.
As Bardock said, he is often credited, but credited wrongly.
He doesn't write his songs. Why do you think he even has songwriters working for him? Because he doesn't write them himself, but if he were to admit such it would seem damaging. He's not the only one, many attach their names without actually putting any work into creating, him included.
-AC
Huh? It does say that. I wrote it off my albums. If you don't believe me, you'll have to contact the record company. I've bought them in UK. If you look in the booklet, it says what I've just stated. In 'Life Thru a Lens' it's written on one of the last pages, same with 'I've Been Expecting You' and 'Sing When You're Winning' . That's also what it says in the booklet to the cd 'Escapology' (under each song the writer is credited).
Regards, Yvonne
The booklet is where I told you to look precisely because it doesn't say that.
Either way, credited or not, he doesn't actually write his songs. If you have versions where he is credited, then I can't necessarily blame you for believing he wrote them, but he doesn't actually write his own songs. It's a known fact here in the UK. He isn't hailed as a songwriter, not by anyone with sense.
-AC
Actually, I meant he gets credited on the albums, even though as AC pointed out, he doesn't actually write them...
From Wikipedia (And with that absolutely unreliable)
After recording for Williams' fifth solo album “Escapology” was completed in mid-2002, Chambers and Williams acrimoniously split amidst demands from Robbie Williams's management that Chambers stop writing for other artists although it's also been stated that it was due to Williams demanding a higher percentage of royalties for songwriting. It was revealed in Williams's book Feel that Chambers was demanding a ludicrously high royalty hike, leading to the split. Chambers revealed in a 2005 interview that he and Williams were on speaking terms again and hinted at possible future collaborations. Chambers has claimed their songwriting partnership was 50.50, he wrote most of the music, while Williams' wrote the lyrics and melodies. However, in the music industry, their songwriting relationship is widely known as 'Change a word - Claim a third', meaning Chambers was responsible for nearly all the music, melodies and lyrics with little intervention from Williams.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Precisely.He wasn't writing the songs, people know this.
It's not unreliable (Wiki) in this case because that is actually what it is known as. In the UK, he isn't known as a songwriter, cos he isn't one.
-AC
Maybe you're right, I won't deny that. I just find it strange that it says so in my cds. It's not like I would make that up. That would just make me look even more stupid, as it makes me go on and on. 😉
Regards, Yvonne