Originally posted by Gary7
No...just because Nostradamus didn't say what you wanted to hear doesn't make you right.
And just because you and others might be able to twist the vague and often poorly translated words of a chap from hundreds of years ago to fit some sort of doomsday dream does not make you right.
Just take a walk through the cemetery of Nostradamus "prophecies" that people have believed in over the years. They don't eventuate or are retroactively applied to something that has already happened, thus making the "prophecy" title a bit redundant.
Originally posted by Gary7
Touche...you just confirmed your own skeptical analysis.
So to prove a point about vague prophecies that come from a long line of failed prophecies you use a Biblical quote which in itself has been used countless times over the years for things that have never eventuated.
Perhaps if you came up with something a bit more tangible? Otherwise you just seem to be using the childish argument of:
"I always tell the truth and anyone who says different is a Liar."
Only in this case it is:
"Nostradamus really could see the future and anyone who disagrees is a sceptic."
Actually, being called a skeptic I would see as a compliment. At its base form, it means removing bias from either side of an issue and only believing what facts and reason provide us. Under that kind of critique, Nostradamus is probably screwed as a legitimate source of...well...anything. I have yet to see Gary provide anything resembling factual evidence for his claims, but I suppose that's to be expected. He's honestly probably just a troll and not worth our time to attempt to refute...I have a hard time believing that anyone takes Nostrdamus seriously anymore.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, being called a skeptic I would see as a compliment. At its base form, it means removing bias from either side of an issue and only believing what facts and reason provide us. Under that kind of critique, Nostradamus is probably screwed as a legitimate source of...well...anything. I have yet to see Gary provide anything resembling factual evidence for his claims, but I suppose that's to be expected. He's honestly probably just a troll and not worth our time to attempt to refute...I have a hard time believing that anyone takes Nostrdamus seriously anymore.
Oh, I don't mind being called a sceptic, I just dislike the connotations some people put on it, implying it somehow means "close-minded and incapable of accepting any claim ever made".
Despite the fact the claim being made usually lacks even the most basic evidence or support. For people like Gary7 you are either blindly open to accepting everything or you are incapable of considering anything. Such absolutes make me go "bah!" Open minded but seeking evidence before accepting a claim doesn't exist in their view.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Oh, I don't mind being called a sceptic, I just dislike the connotations some people put on it, implying it somehow means "close-minded and incapable of accepting any claim ever made".
True. I find myself explaining my definition of skeptic when I use it, because you're right that most would take to mean close-minded.
Originally posted by Gary7
Welcome to the troll site...atheistic-secular-humanist morons.
Originally posted by Storm
We understand that disagreements do arise from time to time, but we can all express our opinions without being demeaning, belittling or putting down other members. We expect our members to respect one another, and show respect for others.
Oh, you mean for instance, like when other members call you delusional, nonsensical, childish, stupid, intolerent and a troll, right?
Actually, I don't remember doing that at all....most of the thread I've simply ignored you, but I've taken some of the worst heat from you in this thread in the form of insults. Not that I care personally too much, but the underlying lack of respect is a problem. I think that most other can say the same, suggesting that you should probably look in the mirror before flinging insults around.
Consider yourself warned.
Originally posted by Gary7
Oh, you mean for instance, like when other members call you delusional, nonsensical, childish, stupid, intolerent and a troll, right?
I don't remember making any comments like that about you, in fact any view expressed that is not "I accept Nostradamus was a true seer who really can do this" usually leads to a come back from you like:
What are all you idiots doing in a religion forum? The two psycho-new age philosophers are kind of funny to listen to arguing with one another going back and forth with their mind masterbation but who are you digi mon 007 or whatever...are you the killermovies.com spy?
O.K. everybody, I'm back...just came up from under the bridge; constipated you know. Oh, I see Digi Mouth 007 has put it's 2 cents in...which is about all it's worth. Notice I said it and not he or she because it doesn't want anyone to know. My guess is that I couldn't tell the difference if I saw it anyway. Nostradamus will forever be an enigma to close-minded knuckleheads of the world like you who have your brains stuck up your ass. And by the way, his prophecies will always be sought after and analyzed by seekers of strange and unexplainable phenomenon until the end of time as we know it.
Touche...you just confirmed your own skeptical analysis.
Welcome to the troll site...atheistic-secular-humanist morons.
So if we put it all together we have:
1. a couple of posts claiming something. And as can clearly be shown it is naught but yet another in a long line of claims that have all failed to materialise, with you being unable to put togther a supporting argument for it.
2 One post trying to validate it using an overused Bible quote.
3. The rest is you trying to insult the people who don't agree with you.
So I fear, and I suspect Nostradamus would agree with me, that you are a tad hypocritical.
To understand Nostradamus is to see things from his time period. Okay, now in saying that, I do believe that there are people that have certain gifts. But his, when you study all of them are too weak. He did seem to make some good predictions in relation to his OWN time period though. Many of his revelations are too cryptic. I guess time will tell.