Classic Molecule Man vs. Current LT

let's say that there are two LT's. The current one and the pre retconned LT.

Classic Molecule man was supposed to be far more powerful than the LT. For some reason people assume that the feats of the current lt count as a standard to gage the classic molecule mans powers. But The classic Molecule man couldn't bring back death, where as the Current LT holds mega verses in his hand and was able to in one wave, bring back every abstract that Worlock destroyed.

So is this even a fight? Or was molecule man and thus the classic beyonder both superior to a far inferior LT?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
let's say that there are two LT's. The current one and the pre retconned LT.

Classic Molecule man was supposed to be far more powerful than the LT. For some reason people assume that the feats of the current lt count as a standard to gage the classic molecule mans powers. But The classic Molecule man couldn't bring back death, where as the Current LT holds mega verses in his hand and was able to in one wave, bring back every abstract that Worlock destroyed.

So is this even a fight? Or was molecule man and thus the classic beyonder both superior to a far inferior LT?

Secret Wars was '85. This is '07

Living Tribunal

I agree with guy222...

Back during the SW era, LT's greatest feat was what? Making a star go nova, and sealing off one Universe? 😂

The LT of nowadays holds multiple Megaverses in the palm of his hand..

LT ftw. 🙂

lt wins this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
let's say that there are two LT's. The current one and the pre retconned LT.

So we should fantasized outside of Marvel with Marvel characters?

Because to my knowledge, the LT has NEVER been retconned.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Classic Molecule man was supposed to be far more powerful than the LT.

Correct.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For some reason people assume that the feats of the current lt count as a standard to gage the classic molecule mans powers. But The classic Molecule man couldn't bring back death,

The LT wasn't able to bring back Death either.

No one was able to bring back Death, except for the Beyonder.

Beyonder >>> ALL of Marvel x Millions.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
where as the Current LT holds mega verses in his hand

Very impressive indeed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and was able to in one wave, bring back every abstract that Worlock destroyed.

The LT nullified Warlock's attack,
thus re-creating the Abstract M-bodys as though nothing happened.

But the Concepts they represent were NEVER affected.

The Beyonder on the other hand ERASED the actual Concept of Death across ALL of Marvel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So is this even a fight? Or was molecule man and thus the classic beyonder both superior to a far inferior LT?

So again,

when you provide the on panel or bio proof stating or alluding to the idea
that the LT was retconned ... we'll proceed.

Cause right now you're blowing smoke out your ass.

Originally posted by Merlyn
Back during the SW era, LT's greatest feat was what? Making a star go nova, and sealing off one Universe?

The LT was the most powerful entity in the Multiverse behind only the Molecule Man.

Originally posted by Merlyn
The LT of nowadays holds multiple Megaverses in the palm of his hand..

Molecule Man blocked and controlled the full power of the Beyonder.

Beyonder >>> ALL of Marvel x Millions.

In 72' ALL of Canon Marvel was a Universe.

In 85' ALL of canon Marvel was a Multiverse.

In 07' ALL of canon Marvel is an Omniverse.

At Marvel.com there is no difference between any of these scales.

Sis-Neg (1972) is credited with re-creating the SAME Marvel Universe,

Genis & Entroy re-created in (2002)
THOTI re-created in (2003)
The Alien and Reed re-created in (2006)

Originally posted by Merlyn
LT ftw.

Since the LT has never been retconned.

Classic MM ftw.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So we should fantasized outside of Marvel with Marvel characters?

Because to my knowledge, the LT has NEVER been retconned.

Correct.

The LT wasn't able to bring back Death either.

No one was able to bring back Death, except for the Beyonder.

Beyonder >>> ALL of Marvel x Millions.

Very impressive indeed.

The LT nullified Warlock's attack,
thus re-creating the Abstract M-bodys as though nothing happened.

But the Concepts they represent were NEVER affected.

The Beyonder on the other hand ERASED the actual Concept of Death across ALL of Marvel.

So again,

when you provide the on panel or bio proof stating or alluding to the idea
that the LT was retconned ... we'll proceed.

Cause right now you're blowing smoke out your ass.

Well, you say Beyonder was the only one capable of bringing back Death. I assume TOAA could bring back Death also....I assume you didn't mention that because it would be understood.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The LT was the most powerful entity in the Multiverse behind only the Molecule Man.

Molecule Man blocked and controlled the full power of the Beyonder.

Beyonder >>> ALL of Marvel x Millions.

In 72' ALL of Canon Marvel was a Universe.

In 85' ALL of canon Marvel was a Multiverse.

In 07' ALL of canon Marvel is an Omniverse.

At Marvel.com there is no difference between any of these scales.

Sis-Neg (1972) is credited with re-creating the SAME Marvel Universe,

Genis & Entroy re-created in (2002)
THOTI re-created in (2003)
The Alien and Reed re-created in (2006)

Since the LT has never been retconned.

Classic MM ftw.

The LT was retconned the 2nd the classic beyonder was. nice try. Unless of course you think the Lt cannot destroy any abstract it deems or recreate them? It would seem as if you are correct and that Lt is realy weak then. not being able to bring back death, not being able to kill korvak, not being able to fix the universal flaw. I like to think the Lt can do all of these things, and for the sake of story, didn't. Now which is it? is the Lt still a weak ***** like he was in 85 or is he 2nd only to God? I can't see a being 2nd only to God not being able to bring back death.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT was retconned the 2nd the classic beyonder was. nice try. Unless of course you think the Lt cannot destroy any abstract it deems or recreate them? It would seem as if you are correct and that Lt is realy weak then. not being able to bring back death, not being able to kill korvak, not being able to fix the universal flaw. I like to think the Lt can do all of these things, and for the sake of story, didn't. Now which is it? is the Lt still a weak ***** like he was in 85 or is he 2nd only to God? I can't see a being 2nd only to God not being able to bring back death.

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Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Well, you say Beyonder was the only one capable of bringing back Death. I assume TOAA could bring back Death also....I assume you didn't mention that because it would be understood.

Correct.

TOAA/God are not even part of my hierarchy anymore.

because they are beyond that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT was retconned the 2nd the classic beyonder was. nice try.

😆

As usual, unsupported emprty wind blowing out of your ass.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Unless of course you think the Lt cannot destroy any abstract it deems or recreate them?

I'm sure he can.

But not the nullification Beyonder put on Death.

Beyonder's nullification was so absolute,
only he was capable of bringing back the Concept of Death.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It would seem as if you are correct and that Lt is realy weak then.

I never said the LT is weak.

Nice try with the continuous bullshit

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
not being able to bring back death,

Not able to bring back a nullified Concept at the hands of the Beyonder.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
not being able to kill korvak,

Who was coincidentaly helped by Death.

And the LT NEVER directly attacked Korvac with his own power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
not being able to fix the universal flaw.

Because only THOTI was able to fix it.

THOTI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I like to think the Lt can do all of these things, and for the sake of story, didn't. Now which is it? is the Lt still a weak ***** like he was in 85 or is he 2nd only to God? I can't see a being 2nd only to God not being able to bring back death.

The LT has never been weak. (he's always been second to TOAA)

It's just that the LT was weaker than MM and Beyonder, who were anomalies of supreme power.

This is why MM & Beyonder were retconned.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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As usual, unsupported emprty wind blowing out of your ass.

I'm sure he can.

But not the nullification Beyonder put on Death.

Beyonder's nullification was so absolute,
only he was capable of bringing back the Concept of Death.

I never said the LT is weak.

Nice try with the continuous bullshit

Not able to bring back a nullified Concept at the hands of the Beyonder.

Who was coincidentaly helped by Death.

And the LT NEVER directly attacked Korvac with his own power.

Because only THOTI was able to fix it.

THOTI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT

The LT has never been weak. (he's always been second to TOAA)

It's just that the LT was weaker than MM and Beyonder, who were anomalies of supreme power.

This is why MM & Beyonder were retconned.

the molecule man nor the beyonder are any more poweful than Mr. mxy and I don't see mxy beating the LT. Now, mxy can recreate any of the abstracts he wishes down to the concept. is he more powerful than the LT? If you dont' think so, check how he creates morpheous and his "boring" powers just to beat the ultimator. now. is this Lt so weak that he cannot destroy or recreate death if mxy destroys her very concept?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
the molecule man nor the beyonder are any more poweful than Mr. mxy and I don't see mxy beating the LT. Now, mxy can recreate any of the abstracts he wishes down to the concept. is he more powerful than the LT? If you dont' think so, check how he creates morpheous and his "boring" powers just to beat the ultimator. now. is this Lt so weak that he cannot destroy or recreate death if mxy destroys her very concept?

Originally posted by quanchi112
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

Current and Old LT... There's no difference. MM>>>>>>LT.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Current and Old LT... There's no difference. MM>>>>>>LT.

Rediculous. what feats do classic Mm have that come anwhere near current LT. Classic MM couldn't even rez death. and he has no megaversal or Omniversal feats. nuff said.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Current and Old LT... There's no difference. MM>>>>>>LT.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Rediculous. what feats do classic Mm have that come anwhere near current LT. Classic MM couldn't even rez death. and he has no megaversal or Omniversal feats. nuff said.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He doesn't need new feats because current LT is THE SAME AS BEFORE!