Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlwhile i agree with u this once i still think mm could defeat mr mxy for sure.
Um sorry. In 85 the LT never held megaverses in his hand and never pwned the IG that I'm aware of . he also never sat as judge and jury over the omniverse. the LT is NOT the same as before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
he was written weaker back then, currently he is second to god.
LT was always second to God though.
But the MM and Beyonder were special cases evidently.
It was MM and Beyonder that were affected by a retcon.
The LT stayed the same.
Now current LT >>> current Beyonder or MM.
Originally posted by Mr Masterbut if he could get beaten by beyonder then he wasnt second to god as he is now. when these characters came into their own back in the day they obvioulsy changed the hierarchy. now its back to normal with lt being second.
LT was always second to God though.But the MM and Beyonder were special cases evidently.
It was MM and Beyonder that were affected by a retcon.
The LT stayed the same.Now current LT >>> current Beyonder or MM.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
what feats do classic Mm have that come anwhere near current LT.
Well when ALL of Marvel was in jeopardy in Marvel: the End,
the LT was unable to do anything about it.
When ALL of Marvel was in jeopardy in Secret Wars,
MM saved all of existence by himself.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Classic MM couldn't even rez death.
Again with this? bangin
Neither was the LT, nor anyone else for that matter.
Again obtuse one,
the Beyonder nullified Death with much of his power,
NO ONE except for himself was capable of bringing Death back.
Beyonder >>>>>>> ALL of Marvel x Millions.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and he has no megaversal or Omniversal feats. nuff said.
There was no Megaverse or Omniverse back then.
But MM was more powerful than ALL of Marvel at the time.
In 1985 all of Marvel = a Multiverse
In 2007 all of Marvel = an Omniverse
All of Marvel is ALL of Marvel, regardless of the era.
Originally posted by Mr Masternice ownage.
Well when ALL of Marvel was in jeopardy in Marvel: the End,
the LT was unable to do anything about it.When ALL of Marvel was in jeopardy in Secret Wars,
MM saved all of existence by himself.Again with this? bangin
Neither was the LT, nor anyone else for that matter.
Again obtuse one,
the Beyonder nullified Death with much of his power,
NO ONE except for himself was capable of bringing Death back.Beyonder >>>>>>> ALL of Marvel x Millions.
There was no Megaverse or Omniverse back then.
But MM was more powerful than ALL of Marvel at the time.
In 1985 all of Marvel + a Multiverse
In 2007 all of Marvel = an Omniverse
All of Marvel is ALL of Marvel, regardless of the era.
Originally posted by quanchi112
but if he could get beaten by beyonder then he wasnt second to god as he is now. when these characters came into their own back in the day they obvioulsy changed the hierarchy. now its back to normal with lt being second.
This is why the Beyonder and MM were retconned.
Because they were too powerful.
The Beyonder was created & written by Jim Shooter who was Editor in-chief of Marvel at the time.
It was God/Toaa that created Beyonder to be more powerful than anything in Marvel.
And God/Toaa can do anything they want, even pwn their #2 with other characters.
Just like God/Toaa created THOTI to be >>> LT
Originally posted by Mr Masteryeah but traditionally lt is number 2. beyinder and mm has their moments in the sun and were the big threats but have been retconned down. now until further notice thanos with the heart is the most powerful being we have ever seen.
This is why the Beyonder and MM were retconned.Because they were too powerful.
The Beyonder was created & written by Jim Shooter who was Editor in-chief of Marvel at the time.
It was God/Toaa that created Beyonder to be more powerful than anything in Marvel.
And God/Toaa can do anything they want, even pwn their #2 with other characters.Just like God/Toaa created THOTI to be >>> LT
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
since the story was all an illusion,
The story was NEVER an illusion.
In the 2006 Handbooks Beyonder is STILL credited with erasing Death (it was retconned to Universal)
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
the Lt was affected by the retcon as well.
Bull shit
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
nice try.
Read comics before debating please.
Originally posted by King KandyBut there are huge differences in their feats, [which I think is what nvr is trying to get at].
Current and Old LT... There's no difference. MM>>>>>>LT.
However,
The instance I think about when it comes to MM isn't the "controlling Beyonder's energy" feat, but rather this...
One of MM's attacks on Beyonder could have...
"Slagged several billion ENTIRE Dimensions (Universes)":
The thing that amazes me about this, is that MM's incredible blast didn't harm his apartment in the slightest. So he was obviously greatly limiting/controlling his power.... And the blast was still that powerful..
No ask yourself this,
What could MM do if he just didn't care? 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
One of MM's attacks on Beyonder could have..."Slagged several billion ENTIRE Dimensions (Universes)":
The thing that amazes me about this, is that MM's incredible blast didn't harm his apartment in the slightest. So he was obviously greatly limiting/controlling his power.... And the blast was still that powerful..
No ask yourself this,
What could MM do if he just didn't care? 🙂
👆 Sound logic.
[QUOTE=9381363]Originally posted by Mr Master
This is another 😎 feat by MM:
Beyonder causes destruction across the Entire Multiverse:
[B]Molecule Man repairs the Multiverse with one finger
while simultaneously calming the Beyonder down:
[/B][/QUOTE mm would totally tear into mxy. he would get crushed.
