Mxy vs Celestials

purely out of curiosity, this is mxy vs. how many celestials, exactly?

I'd probably agree that mxy >>>> one celestial by a good deal, but aren't there potentially millions of the things? Any one of which possesses powers an order of magnitude greater than your average cube being?

Mxy would probably take out a celestial without too much difficulty, but Mxy vs. All of them is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
purely out of curiosity, this is mxy vs. how many celestials, exactly?

I'd probably agree that mxy >>>> one celestial by a good deal, but aren't there potentially millions of the things? Any one of which possesses powers an order of magnitude greater than your average cube being?

Mxy would probably take out a celestial without too much difficulty, but Mxy vs. All of them is ridiculous.

Yes. It's rediculous in that Mxy can snap his fingers and kill them all instantly. 🙄 Mxy>>>>The entire Celestial race.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yes. It's rediculous in that Mxy can snap his fingers and kill them all instantly. 🙄 Mxy>>>>The entire Celestial race.

Show me one instance where a celestial has been killed, and didn't instantly reform. Their bodies aren't actually even present on this plane, they're just manifestations.

One celestial has enough power to create or destroy a universe at will. Possibly even much more, since cube beings are capable of that. Check the respect threads for some of the feats that can be accomplished by even immature cosmic containment units.

again, you're talking millions of beings here with that much power at minimum.

During the Infinity War storyline, the Magus acquired immense power by wrestling five Cosmic Cubes from neighboring universes. This might proved to be enough to render Eternity's M-body catatonic and to create an entire duplicate universe which the Magus then tried to merge with the main Marvel Universe in order to bring it under his dominion, as well as creating doppelgangers of Thanos and all of Earth's superheroes, only excluding the Infinity Watch and Quasar from being duplicated. The Magus had apparently created, or stolen, high-technological instrumentation through which he was capable of manipulating the cubes mechanically, a feature that even Thanos considered to be mind-boggling. Thanos stated that the combined power of the five Cosmic Cubes was very close to the full Infinity Gauntlet. Kang the Conqueror and the Magus both stated that the naked power of the five Cosmic Cubes could cause permanent brain damage if used directly, due to the immense radiations being emitted from the cubes, hence the necessity for instrumentation. During the Infinity War, the Cosmic Cubes are mostly referred to as "cosmic containment units", since not all units were actually shaped like cubes but had other geometric shapes.

so here we have an instance where five CCU's comes VERY close to the power of the full infinity gauntlet. The power that a single celestial wields outclasses that possessed by cube beings, and you're talking not five, but millions.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Show me one instance where a celestial has been killed, and didn't instantly reform. Their bodies aren't actually even present on this plane, they're just manifestations.

One celestial has enough power to create or destroy a universe at will. Possibly even much more, since cube beings are capable of that. Check the respect threads for some of the feats that can be accomplished by even immature cosmic containment units.

again, you're talking millions of beings here with that much power [b]at minimum. [/B]

😐 Mxy destroyed all of DC in an instant. EVERYTHING! All the alternate universes, all the multiverses, all the divergent realities, EVERYTHING IN DC! What the **** can pissants like the Celestials do to a 5D imp? ❌

The celestials have no feats that put them on Mxy's level, hell, Mxy is more powerful than the MU abstracts. You'd need someone as powerful as MJJ to have a shot at Mxy. And IMO, even he wouldn't be enough.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Show me one instance where a celestial has been killed, and didn't instantly reform. Their bodies aren't actually even present on this plane, they're just manifestations.

One celestial has enough power to create or destroy a universe at will. Possibly even much more, since cube beings are capable of that. Check the respect threads for some of the feats that can be accomplished by even immature cosmic containment units.

again, you're talking millions of beings here with that much power [b]at minimum. [/B]

Against Thanos W/HOTU

It has never been shown they have the ability to make a Universe, a pocket universe would be there top achivement so far, and it wasn't even them doing it 😬. And the Celestials have never been shown to have as much power as a Cosmic Containment Unit, since they have On Panel destroyed and remaked the entire Omniverse. Kubik and Kosmos on the other hand two cosmic cubes that has gained consiousnes has put restrictions on themselves and those the Celestials are above.

And Mxy can Destroy entire realities, the 5th dimension and down. Also the Joker with Mxy power destroyed the multiverse.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
so here we have an instance where five CCU's comes VERY close to the power of the full infinity gauntlet. The power that a single celestial wields outclasses that possessed by cube beings, and you're talking not five, but millions.

Oh so thats the reason that the Celestials was being blasted away like all others in the IG incident.

The celestials doesn't have power remotely near the level of a Cosmic Cube without a physical form.

Originally posted by Utrigita
If you ask him why, you got one response to him doing so:

Canon!

So even though how much he hate it and despise it, he stills have to accept it even though he has shown why it should be consideret PIS and not being used in any kind of debate.

Also its strange because in the Handbook it states that LT is second only to TOAA and yet it mentions Scathan as being possible above LT,

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Originally posted by Utrigita
anyone got a answear to this paradox???

Until further info is produced by Marvel concerning this Scathan jip,

Scathan is still a Celestial below both the LT & Eternity.

That's how I feel.

Why?

For this reason:

"My short answer to this issue is that it is an illogical, poorly written nonsense that one should ignore, It contradicts far too much of what is known and accepted about the characters to be taken seriously.

But since this defense is open to the retort that perhaps everything else is wrong and these issues are right, let us instead look at the claims and implications of what is said. Let us examine what one would have to accept if one took everything in these two issues on face value.

First of all, Protege claims not just to be the new Living Tribunal, but the New One Above All (GOTG 49, last page); that is, Protege is God.

If he were indeed now God,

what are we to make of Celestial's restraining him by throwing an energy blanket over his head?

Can a Celestial muzzle God? hm

And how does the energy blanket restrain this New OAA?

By allowing him "to see nothing of what transpires."

Yes, that's right, the New Supreme being of the Multiverse is taken down by

not being able to see the ends of his feet. 😂

But wait, we don't have to commit to such nonsense, because we are told that the LT was clandestinely drawing on the Amulet of Aggamotto

(not the Eye, not the Orb, but the Amulet)

in order to restrain Protege.

In conclusion, therefore: Protege becomes TOAA, but is restrained by a Celestial energy hood that cuts off his sight and an amulet enhanced Living Tribunal. boxed

Perhaps Protege believes he is omnipotent, but because he cannot even sense what is happening after having a hood thrown over his head, clearly his Cosmic Awareness is still Paltry if not Non-existent.

Clearly he has Not absorbed the powers of the LT, perhaps he has absorbed an iota of an iota.

Therefore, in conclusion, we are not seeing a Celestial restraining someone who is more powerful than the LT, let alone TOAA"

*anonymous inclusion*

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I got a problem though that I can't hide from,

THIS:

(excerpt from the 2006 Handbook LT - bio)

"The LT was nearly usurped by Protege, who manifested the LT's own power,
Scathan the Celestial saved the Reality by judging Protege"

..............................................................................................................

Which completely contradicts the opening statements of the LT's bio:

(excerpt from the 2006 Handbook LT - bio)

"The Living Tribunal's only superior is TOAA"

It even specifically tells us NOT to confuse TOAA with the Celestial leader. 🤨

Originally posted by Utrigita
Oh so thats the reason that the Celestials was being blasted away like all others in the IG incident.

The celestials doesn't have power remotely near the level of a Cosmic Cube without a physical form.

There were only two celestials present to get "blasted away" during the IG incident. they weren't named and neither one was TOAA.

and where are you basing your assumptions of what power the celestials do and do not have from? Franklin richards (who would be "potentially" celestial level at some point) created universes as a child. This is VERY close to the feats performed by immature CCUs. (warping reality, creating universes, etc) and once again, is still well below full celestial level.

Kubik (himself a cube being) stated that his power was "as nothing" compared to that of the celestials- this is fact, canon, what have you- plenty of scans exist to back it up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Until further info is produced by Marvel concerning this Scathan jip,

Scathan is still a Celestial below both the LT & Eternity.

That's how I feel.

Why?

For this reason:

"My short answer to this issue is that it is an illogical, poorly written nonsense that one should ignore, It contradicts far too much of what is known and accepted about the characters to be taken seriously.

But since this defense is open to the retort that perhaps everything else is wrong and these issues are right, let us instead look at the claims and implications of what is said. Let us examine what one would have to accept if one took everything in these two issues on face value.

First of all, Protege claims not just to be the new Living Tribunal, but the New One Above All (GOTG 49, last page); that is, Protege is God.

If he were indeed now God,

what are we to make of Celestial's restraining him by throwing an energy blanket over his head?

Can a Celestial muzzle God? hm

And how does the energy blanket restrain this New OAA?

By allowing him "to see nothing of what transpires."

Yes, that's right, the New Supreme being of the Multiverse is taken down by

not being able to see the ends of his feet. 😂

But wait, we don't have to commit to such nonsense, because we are told that the LT was clandestinely drawing on the Amulet of Aggamotto

(not the Eye, not the Orb, but the Amulet)

in order to restrain Protege.

In conclusion, therefore: Protege becomes TOAA, but is restrained by a Celestial energy hood that cuts off his sight and an amulet enhanced Living Tribunal. boxed

Perhaps Protege believes he is omnipotent, but because he cannot even sense what is happening after having a hood thrown over his head, clearly his Cosmic Awareness is still Paltry if not Non-existent.

Clearly he has Not absorbed the powers of the LT, perhaps he has absorbed an iota of an iota.

Therefore, in conclusion, we are not seeing a Celestial restraining someone who is more powerful than the LT, let alone TOAA"

*anonymous inclusion*

..............................................................................................................

I got a problem though that I can't hide from,

THIS:

(excerpt from the 2006 Handbook LT - bio)

"The LT was nearly usurped by Protege, who manifested the LT's own power,
Scathan the Celestial saved the Reality by judging Protege"

..............................................................................................................

Which completely contradicts the opening statements of the LT's bio:

(excerpt from the 2006 Handbook LT - bio)

"The Living Tribunal's only superior is TOAA"

It even specifically tells us NOT to confuse TOAA with the Celestial leader. 🤨

It makes IMO absolutely NO sense at ALL.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
There were only two celestials present to get "blasted away" during the IG incident. they weren't named and neither one was TOAA.

and where are you basing your assumptions of what power the celestials do and do not have from? Franklin richards (who would be "potentially" celestial level at some point) created universes as a [b]child. This is VERY close to the feats performed by immature CCUs. (warping reality, creating universes, etc)

Kubik (himself a cube being) stated that his power was "as nothing" compared to that of the celestials- this is fact, canon, what have you- plenty of scans exist to back it up. [/B]

Oh yes One of them was TOAA He was hurling Planets against him.

Scans. They stated that as a child his power already rivalled there own.
Warping reality correct but Creating entire new universes as you say incorrect they have at most created a Pocket Universe and that was warped.

Yes a Cosmic cube that has taken on a physical form and put restrictions on himself stated that a CCU without a physical form ore "mind" has destroyed and remaked the Omniverse and nothing support that the Celestials can do anything remotely to that Level. That would put them far above there creator Eternity which isn't the case.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It makes IMO absolutely NO sense at ALL.

I agree- it's contradictory and I wish marvel had simply forgotten about it. unfortunately even though the events of GOTG are not canon (that particular future never came to pass as vance astro never went into space, etc etc) there's some bizarre rule stating that every appearance of the tribunal IS treated as canon, since there's only one of him and he doesn't have alternate versions.

It's a pain in the ass, but the inclusion of that event in the marvel handbook does conclusively put Scathan at the tribunal's level.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Until further info is produced by Marvel concerning this Scathan jip,

Scathan is still a Celestial below both the LT & Eternity.

That's how I feel.

Why?

For this reason:

"My short answer to this issue is that it is an illogical, poorly written nonsense that one should ignore, It contradicts far too much of what is known and accepted about the characters to be taken seriously.

But since this defense is open to the retort that perhaps everything else is wrong and these issues are right, let us instead look at the claims and implications of what is said. Let us examine what one would have to accept if one took everything in these two issues on face value.

First of all, Protege claims not just to be the new Living Tribunal, but the New One Above All (GOTG 49, last page); that is, Protege is God.

If he were indeed now God,

what are we to make of Celestial's restraining him by throwing an energy blanket over his head?

Can a Celestial muzzle God? hm

And how does the energy blanket restrain this New OAA?

By allowing him "to see nothing of what transpires."

Yes, that's right, the New Supreme being of the Multiverse is taken down by

not being able to see the ends of his feet. 😂

But wait, we don't have to commit to such nonsense, because we are told that the LT was clandestinely drawing on the Amulet of Aggamotto

(not the Eye, not the Orb, but the Amulet)

in order to restrain Protege.

In conclusion, therefore: Protege becomes TOAA, but is restrained by a Celestial energy hood that cuts off his sight and an amulet enhanced Living Tribunal. boxed

Perhaps Protege believes he is omnipotent, but because he cannot even sense what is happening after having a hood thrown over his head, clearly his Cosmic Awareness is still Paltry if not Non-existent.

Clearly he has Not absorbed the powers of the LT, perhaps he has absorbed an iota of an iota.

Therefore, in conclusion, we are not seeing a Celestial restraining someone who is more powerful than the LT, let alone TOAA"

*anonymous inclusion*

..............................................................................................................

I got a problem though that I can't hide from,

THIS:

(excerpt from the 2006 Handbook LT - bio)

"The LT was nearly usurped by Protege, who manifested the LT's own power,
Scathan the Celestial saved the Reality by judging Protege"

..............................................................................................................

Which completely contradicts the opening statements of the LT's bio:

(excerpt from the 2006 Handbook LT - bio)

"The Living Tribunal's only superior is TOAA"

It even specifically tells us NOT to confuse TOAA with the Celestial leader. 🤨

Scathan the Approver is a Celestial. (Earth-691)

He helped LT against Protege. Is he above Eternity/Galactus/Beyonder/Hawkgod? In those issues, yes.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
It's a pain in the ass, but the inclusion of that event in the marvel handbook does conclusively put Scathan at the tribunal's level.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It actually puts him above LT's level.

One wants to cry out loud.

with what we have seen scathan do we must concluse he could easily do the same to the jackass that is mxy. celestials utterly stomp him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, he said that Mxy>>>The Celestials.

Scathan is a celestial.

Scathan>LT.

Therefore Mxy>>>>LT in his opinion.

Nothing came to mind, thus my response. 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude shut the f*ck up! Galan is the most unbiased person on the board pretty much! He knows his stuff backwards and forwards, I don't buy for a second you proved him wrong about anything!

Originally posted by Juntai
👆 Galan is awesome.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude shut the f*ck up! Galan is the most unbiased person on the board pretty much! He knows his stuff backwards and forwards, I don't buy for a second you proved him wrong about anything!

mxy wins this quite easily

indeed

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😐 Mxy destroyed all of DC in an instant. EVERYTHING! All the alternate universes, all the multiverses, all the divergent realities, EVERYTHING IN DC! What the **** can pissants like the Celestials do to a 5D imp? ❌

The celestials have no feats that put them on Mxy's level, hell, Mxy is more powerful than the MU abstracts. You'd need someone as powerful as MJJ to have a shot at Mxy. And IMO, even he wouldn't be enough.

scathan defeated the protege who just became god pretty much. scathan is all it takes to beat mxy while the other celestials enjoy the show.