Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Once again, Omega isn't the power level measure. Magneto has already reached his evolution peak from what we know.
Of course not.
But Joseph, who in terms of power is everything Magneto is minus the subonscious restrains, was stated to have limitless power/unlimited potential/could become one with the electromagnetic spectrum. Besides, though non-canon, X-Men: The End hinted at Magneto being an omega-level mutant aswell when he became pure energy.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Of course not.But Joseph, who in terms of power is everything Magneto is minus the subonscious restrains, was stated to have limitless power/unlimited potential/could become one with the electromagnetic spectrum. Besides, though non-canon, X-Men: The End hinted at Magneto being an omega-level mutant aswell when he became pure energy.
Limitless power isn't the definition of omega, it's "limitless potential". People who wrongly think Omega is measure of power label people from Cable to Storm as "omegas" even though they're not.
Omega=measure of potential\evolving ability, not powerlevel.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Limitless power isn't the definition of omega, it's "limitless potential". People who wrongly think Omega is measure of power label people from Cable to Storm as "omegas" even though they're not.Omega=measure of potential\evolving ability, not powerlevel.
Read my post again.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Of course not.But Joseph, who in terms of power is everything Magneto is minus the subonscious restrains, was stated to have limitless power/unlimited potential/could become one with the electromagnetic spectrum. Besides, though non-canon, X-Men: The End hinted at Magneto being an omega-level mutant aswell when he became pure energy.
And just in case you're going to ask for it ..
Like I said, if not for Xavier, Joseph would have evolved to become one with the electromagnetic spectrum. (I'll post scans from this if you want to also)
Originally posted by Philosophía
Read my post again.And just in case you're going to ask for it ..
Like I said, if not for Xavier, Joseph would have evolved to become one with the electromagnetic spectrum. (I'll post scans from this if you want to also)
Nobody can prove or dismantle it now, cause Joseph died\self-sacrificed a few years before term "omega" was introduced (in 2001). So I won't argue that any further.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Nobody can prove or dismantle it now, cause Joseph died\self-sacrificed a few years before term "omega" was introduced (in 2001).
So I won't argue that any further.
It is irrelevant when the omega term was introduced. Point is that Joseph/Magneto's capabilities fit this clasification.
Cool.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It is irrelevant when the omega term was introduced. Point is that Joseph/Magneto's capabilities fit this clasification.
Cool.
There is not classification for being Omega...it's a pile of sh*t. The only criteria for being an Omega is being stated in a comic. Just like Vulcan was a Omega PLUS mutant.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
There is not classification for being Omega...it's a pile of sh*t. The only criteria for being an Omega is being stated in a comic.
Agree with you on that.
In fact, would you like to see the Christian\Cordy Frost debate on CBR? I'm defending the fact that Cordelia Frost's empathy=forum myth.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=245589
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Agree with you on that.In fact, would you like to see the Christian\Cordy Frost debate on CBR? I'm defending the fact that Cordelia Frost's empathy=forum myth.
Will check it out, Cordelia has never officially used her power on panel. While she may have taken Mondo out with her powers off panel there's no way to prove that.
The only instances where her power was referred to was in her sibling immunity to Emma and Adriennes powers and in Grant Morrisons New X-Men and in House of M where the Frost girls were referred to as 3 psychics daughters of Winston and Hazel.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Will check it out, Cordelia has never officially used her power on panel. While she may have taken Mondo out with her powers off panel there's no way to prove that.
The only instances where her power was referred to was in her sibling immunity to Emma and Adriennes powers and in Grant Morrisons New X-Men and in House of M where the Frost girls were referred to as 3 psychics daughters of Winston and Hazel.
That's what I'm saying to them, Cordy's powers were always stated as latent, and who knows what they were like.
And the whole scene back at Polynesia with Mondo was basic trickery, Cordelia pretended drowing. If she was really powerful psychic, she won't be treated as worthless whore by Hellfire Club members (at least neither of her actually powerful sisters weren't). So at least at the shown stage she didn't show any active mutant powers.
Empathy was only made up to complete the "trinity"- thoughts-things-emotions. Though she's technically not dead and it's not late for the writers to canonify the myth by retconning her having empathy and having her join the Sisterhood (Empath as male won't qualify of course).
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
There is not classification for being Omega...it's a pile of sh*t. The only criteria for being an Omega is being stated in a comic. Just like Vulcan was a Omega PLUS mutant.
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Unlimited potential. Limitless power. Ability to transcend/evolve from your physicall form. Those have pretty much been the criterias on which an Omega-level mutant is defined. Like it or not, from what we've seen so far concerning Omega-level mutants, Magneto is one of them.
And we both know how idiotic Vulcan's Omega+ deal was ..
Originally posted by Philosophía
ermmUnlimited potential. Limitless power. Ability to transcend/evolve from your physicall form. Those have pretty much been the criterias on which an Omega-level mutant is defined. Like it or not, from what we've seen so far concerning Omega-level mutants, Magneto is one of them.
And we both know how idiotic Vulcan's Omega+ deal was ..
X-Men Forever stated Unlimited Potential in Jean Grey's report. Pray tell where did you dig up Limitless power and Ability to transcend/evolve physical form? As far as I know that's internet speculation on the criteria of Omega mutants. He isn't because he's never been stated as one. Going by your logic it would make Malice Omega as well. 😕
Agreed. But it's as idiotic as fans trying to decipher the actual meaning of Omega Level Mutant since Marvel have never come out and stated the actual criteria. Unlimited potential to do what exactly...according to X-Men Forever all of humanity possesses this potential to become abstracts not just Omega Level Mutants.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
X-Men Forever stated Unlimited Potential in Jean Grey's report. Pray tell where did you dig up Limitless power and Ability to transcend/evolve physical form? As far as I know that's internet speculation on the criteria of Omega mutants.
He isn't because he's never been stated as one. Going by your logic it would make Malice Omega as well. 😕
A logical deduction based on what we've seen up until now.
Not really.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Agreed. But it's as idiotic as fans trying to decipher the actual meaning of Omega Level Mutant since Marvel have never come out and stated the actual criteria.
Unlimited potential to do what exactly...according to X-Men Forever all of humanity possesses this potential to become abstracts not just Omega Level Mutants.
No, but based on what we've seen up until now, we can 'guess' it by ourselves.
That's different, because what we're talking is on an individual level, not on a race as a whole (humanity). But in essence, yes, it's basically the same. In time, humanity can evolve into something more, just like Joseph could and supposdley all the other omega-level mutants can.
Originally posted by Philosophía
[B]And?
Joseph. Who is Magneto, only without the self-imposed subconscious restrains.
More like a logical deduction.
Not really.
So Malice, Storm, that mutant made of methane what's her name again Dummy??? and any mutant that can transcend their physical form are also Omega's by "logical deduction"?
Yet Wanda isn't since she can't.
😕
Where did this transcending the physical form originate from anyway? I have yet to read that in a comic where it was outright stated. As stated before in X-Men Forever it was referring to all of humanity not just OLM's.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So Malice, Storm, No-Girl and any mutant that can transcend their physical form are also Omega's by "logical deduction"?Elixir has yet to transcend his physical form. 😕
Where did this transcending the physical form originate from anyway? I have yet to read that in a comic where it was outright stated. As stated before in X-Men Forever it was referring to all of humanity not just OLM's.
No. Unless it's coupled with unlimited potential and limitless power.
And ?
Mr M. Iceman. Like I said, logical deduction. And I already adressed the humanity point. Check the edit.
Originally posted by Philosophía
No. Unless it's coupled with unlimited potential and limitless power.And ?
Mr M. Iceman. Like I said, logical deduction. And I already adressed the humanity point. Check the edit.
Storm was stated to have near infinite power when she transcended...and narrative hyperbole is thrown at almost every character these days.
And what does limitless power mean exactly? I've seen Magneto run out of power and I've seen Vulcan run out of power.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Storm was stated to have near infinite power when she transcended...and narrative hyperbole is thrown at almost every character these days.
And what does limitless power mean exactly? I've seen Magneto run out of power and I've seen Vulcan run out of power.
Near. And I don't think I've ever seen scans saying she has unlimited potential.
Besides, she was hinted in an issue of Black Panther (I think) to possibly be an Omega level mutant.
Magneto has self-imposed subconscious limits, coupled with the fact that he supposdley channels the energies he wields through his nervous system. His body is a liability, which is why we've never seen him proving to be truly limitless in power. I haven't read the Vulcan storyline in a while.
