Originally posted by 2damnloud
What the **** is Magneto doing here?? He doesn't have the speed, reaction or durability to deal with anything. His shield would e meaningless to an assault from Diana or Superman.I say Team 1.
What?
Magneto's shield has withstood assaults from Thor and She-Hulk, Galactus, Phoenix etc.
It would be meaningless to an assault from Diana or Superman?
Lol!
Magneto's reaction time and speed is incredibly impressive. He has caught speed steers out of the air easily enough, and knows how than handle them. He also has a reaction time that's at least 15 times more than a human. True nothing special compared to Wonder Woman or Superman, but with his Force Field and his other abilities, he isn't being taken down by a speed blitz.
He can increase his durability and strength vastly to the point his a Class 100.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Lasso effectively would make juggs immobile. Or Her sword will cut his head off. lets see him regenerate from that. Magneto is pwned. Superman's heat vision would depower mags. Heat kills magnets period.
Juggernaut = Invulnerable for the most part, and can heal from practically anything
You're part regarding Magneto doesn't even make sense. How the hell does heat kill Magneto, and how would it depower Magneto?
He isn't literally a magnet.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like you said, they have taken constant blows from Thor and She-Hulk without breaking, plus have held out against assault from Galactus, Phoenix etc. so I don't see how Superman or Wonder Woman are breaking it, any time soon.
I meant to say can't. Magneto himself even stated that he couldn't take many more blows from Mjolnir. His shield is not impentrable.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you talking about they're first encounter which was back in like the early 1960's?Magneto is obviously much more powerful than he is now as he has shown.
Also, Thor is Thor.
And so has Thor, WW and Superman. They all got stronger. Thor's strength isn't leagues above Superman anyway, physically I see Superman as superior. Fact is that they can break his shield.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
And so has Thor, WW and Superman. They all got stronger. Thor's strength isn't leagues above Superman anyway, physically I see Superman as superior. Fact is that they can break his shield.
You're argument that they can break the shield is that Thor all those decades ago, could accomplish it.
The fact is that, Magneto has gotten stronger, so that showing doesn't apply. Prove off this is that his shield withstood a barrage from both Thor and She-Hulk later on.
So you can't say that either Superman or Wonder Woman are breaking his shield because Thor was capable of doing it back in the 1960's.
They have all gotten stronger just as Magneto but that changes this situation how?
Again you're argument is that since Thor was capable back then, so Superman and Wonder Woman are capable. That is true if we use 1960's Magneto and not Current Magneto, making that showing void as he is obviously significantly superior.
It withstood Thor and She-Hulk, Galactus, Phoenix and will withstand Wonder Woman or Superman.
Superman being superior in terms of strength to Thor?
Debatable at the very least.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're argument that they can break the shield is that Thor all those decades ago, could accomplish it.The fact is that, Magneto has gotten stronger, so that showing doesn't apply. Prove off this is that his shield withstood a barrage from both Thor and She-Hulk later on.
So you can't say that either Superman or Wonder Woman are breaking his shield because Thor was capable of doing it back in the 1960's.
They have all gotten stronger just as Magneto but that changes this situation how?
Again you're argument is that since Thor was capable back then, so Superman and Wonder Woman are capable. That is true if we use 1960's Magneto and not Current Magneto, making that showing void as he is obviously significantly superior.
It withstood Thor and She-Hulk, Galactus, Phoenix and will withstand Wonder Woman or Superman.
Superman being superior in terms of strength to Thor?
Debatable at the very least.
Superman and WW are leagues above Shulk in strength so him taking her blows means nothing. There was an instance when Thor struck Mjolnir on his shield and Magneto himself said that he can't keep defending against these attacks for long. Do you have any on panel proof that shows that Magneto's shield has A)Gotten stronger, B)Shows that he it can constantly take damage from characters comparable to Superman and WW and C) Show me something on Superman or WW that shows that they don't have the strength to breach his shield?
I don't know of these issues with Galactus and Phoenix but I'm more than sure that they didn't try to physically break it which is a big difference here, and I hope you don't think that a non-jobbing Galactus can't break through his shield.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Superman and WW are leagues above Shulk in strength so him taking her blows means nothing. There was an instance when Thor struck Mjolnir on his shield and Magneto himself said that he can't keep defending against these attacks for long. Do you have any on panel proof that shows that Magneto's shield has A)Gotten stronger, B)Shows that he it can constantly take damage from characters comparable to Superman and WW and C) Show me something on Superman or WW that shows that they don't have the strength to breach his shield?I don't know of these issues with Galactus and Phoenix but I'm more than sure that they didn't try to physically break it which is a big difference here, and I hope you don't think that a non-jobbing Galactus can't break through his shield.
Taking her blows and Thor's blows is something.
The instance you are referring to was in 1960 something was it not? That was decades ago. How can you actually be using that as an argument for current Magneto is beyond me.
A) It's obvious it's gotten stronger as Magneto has gotten different upgrades since that time, and is written as significantly stronger. He isn't some old creepy villain, who moves around metal as he was back then.
This is evident as now he was able to withstand an attack from both She-Hulk and Thor without any problem and stating mere physical attacks cannot penetrate his Force Field. This is also evident through the fact that he withstood attacks from Galactus and Phoenix.
Back then, power levels fluctuated greatly. Thor was off fighting thugs in one issue, and beating Galactus in the next.
B)If it can withstand an attack from Thor and She-Hulk, Galactus, Phoenix, etc. it can withstand attacks from Wonder Woman, and Superman.
C)How can I prove a negative?
How can I prove that Superman and Wonder Woman cannot break his Force Field when they have never meet before etc.?
How does that make sense?
It's up to you to prove they can, and the crutch for you're argument is from a fight from the 1960's that obviously that doesn't apply anymore, which I don't understand how you can with a straight face unless you are ignorant of Magneto and how much he has progressed over the years.
A non jobbing Galactus beats almost anyone, including Magneto obviously.
Mags withstanding an energy blast from Galactus was obviously CIS.
And yes, Supes and Wondy can break Magneto's forcefields.
Nevertheless, if Mags has his forcefield ON before the start of the match, team 2 has a fairly good chance of winning.
It will give him enough time to mess with the iron in their blood, or blast them with a full force EMP.
Otherwise, team 2 gets stomped. Team 1 would just speedblitz.
Doesn't matter. If theres no BFR Team 1 loses. They can't beat juggernaut, and i doubt WW's enchanted stuff is powerful enough to break cyttoraks enchantment. So basically WW and superman eventually die, the sun explodes, and juggernaut is still sitting there chilling on a rock floating through space.