Magneto VS Apocalypse

Originally posted by redhotrash
Why would Celestials not use any metal in their tech, alien or otherwise? When you can throw planets as a weapon, making a failsafe against someone with magnetic powers seems pointless.

You see the problem is that your technological thinking is primitive compared to the way that a race like the Celestials would be operating. They wouldn't "use metal" or any other material in their tech. They would not be digging in the ground for iron-ore and then hammering it and shaping it into armor. 😂 They would just build from the atomic/molecular level up up (nano tech) but also allow the technology to adjust it's molecular structure as needed.

Magneto controlling a Celestial's body parts was stupid retarded as f*ck. Between this and that dumb Godkiller comment, it looks like Gillen is someone who used to post on the Alvaro boards before becoming a comic book writer.

That's the only way to explain his covert hatred of the Celestials.

Originally posted by deathslash
they're still alternate realities and therfore don't count for or against a character. Judging how a fight between characters would go down by looking at how the same character's fight in alternate realities isn't a good was to go about this.

Going with Magneto.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Magneto controlling a Celestial's body parts was stupid retarded as f*ck. Between this and that dumb Godkiller comment, it looks like Gillen is someone who used to post on the Alvaro boards before becoming a comic book writer.

That's the only way to explain his covert hatred of the Celestials.

I wonder if that's canon?

Originally posted by Magnon
Both universes originate from 616: up until the killing of Xavier (AoA) and "no more mutants" (HoM) the characters were the actual flesh-and-blood 616 Mags and Apo. The timeline just diverted at those points. So these fights are the best, most reliable thing we have to assess the result of their match.

Edit. Actually some might even argue that those events are canon. The events are linked and intervowen into the main 616 universe. Completely different from your standard non-canon "What if" stories.

AoA Apocalypse or HoM Apocalypse version of Apocalypse is not even close to the sheer power of Apocalypse who crushed Stryfe or who crushed young Thor etc...

Reliable... 🙂

No... not reliable at all. You have Sinister and Apocalypse battling each other and they both killed each other and then you have where Sinister says that Apocalypse could put him out of existence and ran away... while showings or not, we know Apocalypse is far more powerful than Sinister... no contest.

You have Stryfe crushing weakened Apocalypse and then years after you have Stryfe and Bishop barely defeating weakened Apocalypse and then fully restored Apocalypse crushing Stryfe like no one else... so no... not really reliable at all.

Apocalypse is just one of those who was many times screwed by writers... but recent years he is a beast.

Like Magneto defeated Proteus, showing or not, we simply know that Proteus is far more powerful than Magneto.

Originally posted by Galan007
Marvel Fact Files states their armor is made of Vibranium held within a carbon matrix:
http://i.imgur.com/uIyXBGN.jpg

I wonder if that's canon?

^ Hm, I don't think so. Given that everything else mentioned or depicted on that page took place in 616, I don't see why they'd give the specs on an alternate Arishem. /shrug

^Because of the popularity of the Earth X series relative to mainstream Marvel? Along with the fact that that is exactly how the Earth X Celestials are portrayed in that universe. I am pretty sure most people(not harcore comic fans like us) haven't even heard of Celestials outside of that comic series.

Same could be said of Mavel Zombies imo.

Magneto generally makes Apocalypse his bi tch, when they meet in fair combat (even Apocalypse's most famous storyline, Age of Apocalypse, ends with him being ripped in half by Erik).

Apocalypse was more powerful in the X-Men Evolution cartoon and he will be more powerful in the next X-Men movie, so we'll see how that affects their relative portrayal in the comics - but thus far, it doesn't look good for him.

If the movie ends with Fassneto ripping Apocalypse in half, though, I'll be cumming pretty hard.

Originally posted by Epicurus
^Because of the popularity of the Earth X series relative to mainstream Marvel? Along with the fact that that is exactly how the Earth X Celestials are portrayed in that universe. I am pretty sure most people(not harcore comic fans like us) haven't even heard of Celestials outside of that comic series.

Same could be said of Mavel Zombies imo.

Anywho, it really doesn't matter. Just thought it was strange is all. 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
Magneto generally makes Apocalypse his bi tch, when they meet in fair combat (even Apocalypse's most famous storyline, Age of Apocalypse, ends with him being ripped in half by Erik).

Apocalypse was more powerful in the X-Men Evolution cartoon and he will be more powerful in the next X-Men movie, so we'll see how that affects their relative portrayal in the comics - but thus far, it doesn't look good for him.

If the movie ends with Fassneto ripping Apocalypse in half, though, I'll be cumming pretty hard.

Originally posted by Galan007
Earth X wasn't mentioned anywhere on that page while events from mainstream/616 Marvel were, so your longs doesn't make sense to me. /shrug

Anywho, it really doesn't matter. Just thought it was strange is all. 🙂

K. Although since Celestial shells are supposed to be invulnerable/indestructible/impenetrable, it makes sense to have it be composed from two of the most durable elements in existence. Carbon allotropes like diamond are the hardest substances on earth, and carbon fiber is used in high strength alloys these days. And everyone knows about the feats of vibranium.

In fact, based on that scan it's clear that Celestial armor>Cap's shield in terms of durability.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I recall an issue from Earth X which mentions that Celestial armor is made of vibranium. That's why I refer it.

K. Although since Celestial shells are supposed to be invulnerable/indestructible/impenetrable, it makes sense to have it be composed from two of the most durable elements in existence. Carbon allotropes like diamond are the hardest substances on earth, and carbon fiber is used in high strength alloys these days. And everyone knows about the feats of vibranium.

In fact, based on that scan it's clear that Celestial armor>Cap's shield in terms of durability.

I didn't post that page as a means to cheapen Celestials or w/e. I posted it because I'd never seen a breakdown of Celestial physiology so thorough. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh really? I don't remember that. Haven't read E-X in yearS though.

I didn't post that page as a means to cheapen Celestials or w/e. I posted it because I'd never seen a breakdown of Celestial physiology so thorough. 👆

Because based on that, every time a Celestial gets blown apart, it's power would raze the universe. And said blowing up wouldn't even harm the Celestial itself per se.

That scan looks like something pulled out of a fanmade handbook, honestly speaking.

You can speak as honest as you'd like, but it still came from a published Marvel Handbook. 🙂

^I didn't know that commenting on a bizarre never before seen scan could so easily rustle your jimmies.

I'll go easy on on you next time.

Anyways, is that scan from Marvel Fact Files #58? Released this year?

Marvel Fact Files #30, released this year. Honestly don't know how canon it is in compared to OHOTMUs and whatnot.