Magneto VS Apocalypse

Originally posted by deathslash
You do realize that Age of Apocalypse doesn't really count for or against Magneto or Apocalypse since it isn't really canon to earth 616 right?

In the forum? Magneto shuts his brain down. He has done it in House of M. He is one of the few who remembers that period. He will know to do it again. So that's that.

Originally posted by Philosophía
In the forum? Magneto shuts his brain down. He has done it in House of M. He is one of the few who remembers that period. He will know to do it again. So that's that.

If we go by that... every mind is made by electromagnetic. It's just something they written so they come as smart and for Magneto to win in HoM. And then again... to do what he did in HoM, he needed to be really close to Apocalypse.
And you remember what he said to Apocalypse in HoM... that he can't win against him with brute power... and then he won by intelligence combined with power.

Not canon, it's HoM and irrelevent to Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, but a writer will always have that fight in mind, whenever these two will come head to head. That's the actual 'continuity' that matters, as far as this fight being depicted in comics.

In the forum? Magneto shuts his brain down. He has done it in House of M. He is one of the few who remembers that period. He will know to do it again. So that's that.

It's still not canon. What Magneto was doing in HoM is because of his daughter, otherwise he wouldn't be capable that without her, because he never was. The world his daughter made for him. She made all plans for his wish to come true. It's not canon and what he did to him in HoM is irrelevant to Apocalypse in 616.

Originally posted by Xplosive
What Magneto was doing in HoM is because of his daughter, otherwise he wouldn't be capable that without her, because he never was. The world his daughter made for him.

Magneto has been shutting down brains long before he ever met Apocalypse. In fact, the first time he truly unleashed his powers, he did this:

Providing other examples isn't even needed - as Magneto pointed out, the mind is electromagnetic field. So there are only two impediments in him trashing Apocalypse's:

a). He can't control the electromagnetic field. If you say this, you fortfeit your right to discuss this.
b). He hasn't done it before (false).

None of those apply.

In fact he has done it to Apocalypse himself, in a reality the mainstream version of Magneto actually remembers. So he knows he's done it to Apocalypse before.

In short, you're wrong, and Apocalypse loses.

I want to say Apocalypse win this because of his Celestial armor but, I thought about it. A weakened Magneto took control of a Celestial with ease, a power far greater than Apocalypse which leads to me believing that Magneto could rip Apocalypse to shreds. When it comes to fts...Magneto has them. I'm giving him the win here.

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Apocalypse should be above him but Eric has the better feats.

Originally posted by carver9
I want to say Apocalypse win this because of his Celestial armor but, I thought about it. A weakened Magneto took control of a Celestial with ease, a power far greater than Apocalypse which leads to me believing that Magneto could rip Apocalypse to shreds. When it comes to fts...Magneto has them. I'm giving him the win here.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
In short, you're wrong, and Apocalypse loses.

You do know that with

that What Magneto was doing in HoM is because of his daughter, otherwise he wouldn't be capable that without her, because he never was. The world his daughter made for him.

So before you quote anyone next time, be sure what the poster meant.
So don't talk something out of your ass.

Apocalypse wins easily against Magneto.

Originally posted by carver9
I want to say Apocalypse win this because of his Celestial armor but, I thought about it. A weakened Magneto took control of a Celestial with ease, a power far greater than Apocalypse which leads to me believing that Magneto could rip Apocalypse to shreds. When it comes to fts...Magneto has them. I'm giving him the win here.

So you should go think even further and come to conclusion that then Magneto should easily rip Thor, WWH, Silver Surfer and many many many others.

So if we think further, Magneto took control of a Celestial with ease, a far greater power than Apocalypse, Silver Surfer, WWH and many many others, so then Magneto could rip anyone I mentioned to shreds 🙄

And then again, he was losing a battle against Iron Man, far from being able to rip Iron Man to shreds.

Originally posted by Estacado
👆Apocalypse should be above him but Eric has the better feats.

I agree.

If we use intuition, Apocalypse is the more powerful being... if we go by feats... Magneto was always one of Marvel favorites.

To correct myself... if we use intuition, Apocalypse was always meant to be the more powerful being... if we go by feats... Magneto was always one of Marvel favorites.

He was winning against Iron Man, then just decided to give up the fight.

Originally posted by Xplosive
You do know that with I didn't refer as what he was doing ''not be able to shut someone brain down, because he was always capable of that'', but what he did in HoM and was doing in HoM, ruling, everything going his plan was because of his daughter and not because of himself. I didn't refer his abilities.

Be careful, you might slam the back of your head on the wall behind you, with the furious backtracking.

Originally posted by Xplosive
So don't talk something out of your ass.

Apocalypse wins easily against Magneto.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And then again, he was losing a battle against Iron Man, far from being able to rip Iron Man to shreds.

a.) Tony had prepped for that battle and equipped himself with anti-magnetism weaponry.
b.) Tony was also siphoning energy from the magnetic field of Jupiter(which is 10x>Earth's), thereby amping himself tremendously.
c.) Mags still held the advantage as he was constantly growing more powerful(thanks to the energy he was leeching from nearby worldS), while Tony was constantly weakening.
d.) Mags ultimately stopped fighting back all together, because he realized how petty their squabble was in comparison to the threat posed by Phoenix.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was winning against Iron Man, then just decided to give up the fight.

Originally posted by Galan007
Context, please.

a.) Tony had prepped for that battle and equipped himself with anti-magnetism weaponry.
b.) Tony was also siphoning energy from the magnetic field of Jupiter(which is 10x>Earth's), thereby amping himself tremendously.
c.) Mags still held the advantage as he was constantly growing more powerful(thanks to the energy he was leeching from nearby worldS), while Tony was constantly weakening.
d.) Mags ultimately stopped fighting back all together, because he realized how petty their squabble was in comparison to the threat posed by Phoenix.

Both of you missed the point.

You don't have one.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You don't have one.

Sorry,... the reality is you just don't understand it, you didn't get... you aren't subtle enough.

The point was that if Magneto could do that to a Celestial, he could do it to countless others below the Celestials' paygrade (WWH/Surfer et al)?

And yet, he was losing against Iron Man, who is again far below a Celestial?

Was that the point?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The point was that if Magneto could do that to a Celestial, he could do it to countless others below the Celestials' paygrade (WWH/Surfer et al)?

And yet, he was losing against Iron Man, who is again far below a Celestial?

Was that the point?

Excatly DarkSaint85 😉

It doesn't matter if he was winning or losing against Iron Man.

If we use what Carver said,... well, you already know the point.

So now, yes I admit... Magneto is extremely powerful and should be able to tear Apocalypse and many others (more powerful than Apocalypse) apart, because already a weakened Magneto did that control of a Celestial... I don't even dare to think about fully powered Magneto.

Then I didn't miss the point, lol. He was winning against IM.

Plus, I think you've missed carver's point:

A weaker Magneto controlled a Celestial.
Apocalypse's armour and tech are all....Celestial in nature.

^ Context. srsly

He wasn't 'winning', and he was massively prepped/amped.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then I didn't miss the point, lol. He was winning against IM.

Plus, I think you've missed carver's point:

A weaker Magneto controlled a Celestial.
Apocalypse's armour and tech are all....Celestial in nature.

It doesn't matter if he was winning or losing against Iron Man.

If we use what Carver said,... well, you already know the point. And it was more of a draw.

The point is, you have to be extremely powerful to do that and Magneto apparently is.

So now, yes I admit... Magneto is extremely powerful and should be able to tear Apocalypse and many others (more powerful than Apocalypse) apart, because already a weakened Magneto did that control of a Celestial... I don't even dare to think about fully powered Magneto.

Celestial or not celestial nature, you have to have tremendous power to do that.