Sentry vs Flash(Bart)

Originally posted by darthgoober
This one would have been better...

[B]Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field. [/B]

Thats the one I was looking for. Couldn't find it though (blinded by rage as I was) 😛

fine, Flash versus Eternity... my money's on Flash!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And he lacks proof to back it up.

Doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by janus77
fine, Flash versus Eternity... my money's on Flash!

Then you'd be wrong. Eternity can probably manipluate equivalent energies. Or barring that unmake him via time travel.

Originally posted by Priest
so ur trying to say that we only are supposed to use feats that are depicted by narration not character's word of mouth?

Well when what's said is obvious hyperbole . . . yeah I'd rather use narration.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then you'd be wrong. Eternity can probably manipluate equivalent energies. Or barring that unmake him via time travel.

Eternity wouldn't be able to even register the onset of hostilities as within the first trillionth of a second, Flash would have stolen ALL momentum.

also, sans momentum, no conscious thought no sentience.

Originally posted by janus77
probably is not good enough, Flash does it time and again on panel. according to posters here, HE IS THE SPEEDFORCE.

Eternity wouldn't be able to even register the onset of hostilities as within the first trillionth of a second, Flash would have stolen ALL momentum.

also, sans momentum, no conscious thought no sentience.

No BartAllen was the Speedforce. Other Flashes tap into it as a powersource.

Eternity is Time itself existing as a concept he should be capable of thinking far far faster than even Flash at his best.

Originally posted by janus77
probably is not good enough, Flash does it time and again on panel. according to posters here, HE IS THE SPEEDFORCE.

Eternity wouldn't be able to even register the onset of hostilities as within the first trillionth of a second, Flash would have stolen ALL momentum.

also, sans momentum, no conscious thought no sentience.

but don't forget, Speedforce is a force of the universe - the shared universe, thus Speed/momentum stealing becomes an option for Flash. also being essentially in charge of momentum you trump 'time', as time can only unfold in the universe as a result of energy - the big bang - which is momentum, in essence.

it just throws up tons of stupid matches.
Flash versus the following (all together):
Galactus, Cyttorak, Dr Strange, Ego, Rune King Thor, Odin ... you get the picture?

Speedforce is essentially a remoulding of the opposing (non-DC) character, not something as innocuous as an extra-source of energy (ala power cosmic/oan energy)... it places fundamental control over the opposition in the hands of Flash.

Originally posted by janus77
but don't forget, Speedforce is a force of the universe - the shared universe, thus Speed/momentum stealing becomes an option for Flash. also being essentially in charge of momentum you trump 'time', as time can only unfold in the universe as a result of energy - the big bang - which is momentum, in essence.

it just throws up tons of stupid matches.
Flash versus the following (all together):
Galactus, Cyttorak, Dr Strange, Ego, Rune King Thor, Odin ... you get the picture?

Speedforce is essentially a remoulding of the opposing (non-DC) character, not something as innocuous as an extra-source of energy (ala power cosmic/oan energy)... it places fundamental control over the opposition in the hands of Flash.

That why characters have to fight within the limits of their personality.

I have never seen any Flash start a fight with anything but superspeed or even consider speedstealing until extremely hard pressed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Isn't the Speedforce technically PART of the universe? And since Eternity IS the universe under the new forum rules shouldn't the Speedforce would simply be a part of Eternity that he could access like any other part?

you can speculate, but Flash has on-panel control, Eternity is just "reasonable to assume" ... but as I show above, it can - and does - get an awful lot worse.

I believe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Speedforce does, over and above empowering Flash with speed and durability...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That why characters have to fight within the limits of their personality.

I have never seen any Flash start a fight with anything but superspeed or even consider speedstealing until extremely hard pressed.

and obviously, most people argue power-sets, rather than persona.

Originally posted by janus77
a unique to DC conception, part of the DC universe. Eternity has no access to this force, as Eternity's omniverse does not partake of it.

you can speculate, but Flash has on-panel control, Eternity is just "reasonable to assume" ... but as I show above, it can - and does - get an awful lot worse.

I believe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Speedforce does, over and above empowering Flash with speed and durability...

Originally posted by janus77
but then you have "blood lusted" options... and KMC specifically calls for fighting to the utmost of a character's ability, rather than character.

and obviously, most people argue power-sets, rather than persona.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels .

You can't spell "janus" without "anus."

even if Eternity is debatable, what about those below him - again, Galactus, Odin .... ? Eternity also exists within space, time is a function of the big bang, so I'd see it as being equally reasonable to assume that the stealing of 'momentum' would stop time - indeed, Flash does traverse time via the speedforce!

any non-abstract will be recreated to depend upon Speedforce as the mechanism for the way they exist... that their momentum, is a part of a universal force which is the domain of The Flash.

Originally posted by batdude123
You can't spell "janus" without "[b]anus." [/B]

cf my post in your thread about comparative intelligence 😛

Originally posted by janus77
even if Eternity is debatable, what about those below him - again, Galactus, Odin .... ? Eternity also exists within space, time is a function of the big bang, so I'd see it as being equally reasonable to assume that the stealing of 'momentum' would stop time - indeed, Flash does traverse time via the speedforce!

any non-abstract will be recreated to depend upon Speedforce as the mechanism for the way they exist... that their momentum, is a part of a universal force which is the domain of The Flash.

So you want us to believe that 1) Wally/Bart understands this 2) Wally/Bart could figure out how to do 3) It applies even though nothing like it has been shown, in fact completely taking the speed from a target has been shown not to be lethal.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you want us to believe that 1) Wally/Bart understands this 2) Wally/Bart could figure out how to do 3) It applies even though nothing like it has been shown, in fact completely taking the speed from a target has been shown not to be lethal.

we can see that this would require a reconfiguration of the non-DC opponent, in order to apply the new laws - the DC laws - governing their physics.

Originally posted by janus77
I'm not arguing that it's lethal in and of itself. nor am I arguing persona/intellect. I'm refering to the powerset and the unwise policy of saying "Speedforce" must exist within a 'neutral' universe.

The powerset is immense. But it actually is his powers.

What's the point of having Flash fight san Speedforce? He'd just be a normal person with no powers and no real combat training.

Originally posted by janus77
we can see that this would require a reconfiguration of the non-DC opponent, in order to apply the new laws - the DC laws - governing their physics.

No he would simply be subject to Flash's powers. Just as Flash would be subject to all of his opponents.