Originally posted by BobbyDread airlegends post. not sure of geb but if this is true there are things the presence cant do. TOAA has never been stalemated.
Q, if I may....when you are omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, there isn't anything you can't do that is imaginable.Not when Big Mike is standing there.
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GeB is as you said the Great Evil Beast or the Great Darkness.
And was featured in the Vertigo series, where the current Yahweh (after leaving his creation) said that he was not supreme and this was after he merged with the GeB. There is a very good respect thread made by Endless Mike, there is even a link in his signature.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i dont know of this geb. does it stand for great evil beast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
anways i havent read it but if what u say is true then dc writes their god as being less than supreme. wow the presence isnt as powerful as advertised if he actually faced an opponent he stalemated.
I agree. That's one of the many reasons why I think the Presence is a very poor representation of the Abrahamic God.
Originally posted by Air Legendi lost a lot of respect for the dc writers who came up with presence being stalemated. this means that TOAA >presence.
Yes GEB stands for Great Evil Beast.I agree. That's one of the many reasons why I think the Presence is a very poor representation of the Abrahamic God.
shame on dc for this.
Originally posted by Astner
GeB is as you said the Great Evil Beast or the Great Darkness.
And was featured in the Vertigo series, where the current Yahweh (after leaving his creation) said that he was [b]not supreme and this was after he merged with the GeB. [/B]
That would be a good explanation but Yahweh is the Presence. DC made a crappy God.
Originally posted by Astner
There is a very good respect thread made by Endless Mike, there is even a link in his signature.
Indeed he did.
Originally posted by Astner
GeB is as you said the Great Evil Beast or the Great Darkness.
And was featured in the Vertigo series, where the current Yahweh (after leaving his creation) said that he was [b]not supreme and this was after he merged with the GeB. [/B]
Wait, I read this wrong. You're already stating that the Presence isn't supreme after the fusion. I agree. I thought you were saying that Yahweh and GEB formed the Presence. My bad.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
God/The Presence doesn't need feats . He could hold one Universe , one Multiverse or even the whole Omniverse , it doesn't make any difference .He is omnipotent , infinite and all-encompassing .
That goes the same for THOTI wielding Thanos.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Nothing he has/will/can do should be considered a feat because he can do anything .
Same as Thanos.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
At best , Thanos affected a Multiverse .
Actually Thanos became the embodiment of Time & Space across the Omniverse.
Thanos also erased all of Time & Space in Marvel,
and re-created all of Time & Space in Marvel.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
That isn't really relevant to your point since this doesn't prove in any way Thanos even comes close to The Presence , which he shouldn't and doesn't .
I won't argue between who wins.
But I will speak up for Thanos/THOTI if I see fallacies being posted.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Maybe the God of the respective Multiverse but in no way God of the Omniverse
Thanos became the absolute God/TOAA of the Omniverse.
The Judge & most powerful Entity within the Omniverse got stomped like a flea.
THOTI is the power of TOAA/God within the Omniverse.
Undefeatable ... unless TOAA/God draw it differently.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
especially when in many instances in the story it has been reffered to Thanos affecting the Universe .
The Marvel Universe you mean?
Yea,
the Marvel Universe is all of Marvel, (an Omniverse)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
Thanos/THOTI is credited with erasing and re-creating ALL of Marvel. 🙂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
At best , it could reffer to the Alternate Earths and Timelines of that Universe
Never new a single Universe possessed Alternate Earths hm
and Timelines are separate UniverseS in Marvel.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
thus affecting a Multiverse but no more .
Not according to Marvel.
According to Marvel, it was all of Time & Space in Marvel.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It all makes sense if you actually think a bit ,
especially considering that we haven't seen anything appear except from Earth 616's Multiverse
Other Realities outside the Multiverse are inconsequential.
What are they gonna do if Eternity/Infinity and the LT himself could do nothing?
And Actually if we "think a bit" (but also read carefully) ...
we can see Thanos absorbing the rest of Time & Space across all Reality:
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
Thanos says,
"For IF this BAND (Eternity/Infinity/LT) Could Defy Me
might not OTHERS be equally foolish?"
What "Others" might be equally foolish?
WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?
WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?
CAN'T be the Universe or the Living Tribunal,
he just ABSORBED the embodiments of the Universe,
(Eternity/Infinity remember) and the Living Tribunal.
Why did Thanos continue to absorb until "nothing remained" in Marvel's Time & Space?
I'll answer those questions.
Thanos has to be talking about the rest of Marvel,
there is no other way to look at it.
*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish,
the rest of Creation across all of Time & Space,
in other words, the Omniverse)
Originally posted by Mr Master
That goes the same for THOTI wielding Thanos.Same as Thanos.
Actually Thanos became the embodiment of Time & Space across the Omniverse.
Thanos also erased all of Marvel, and re-created all of Marvel.
I won't argue between who wins.
But I will speak up for Thanos/THOTI if I see fallacies being posted.
Thanos became the absolute God/TOAA of the Omniverse.
The Judge & most powerful Entity within the Omniverse got stomped like a flea.
THOTI is the power of TOAA/God within the Omniverse.
Undefeatable ... unless TOAA/God draw it differently.
The Marvel Universe you mean?
Yea,
the Marvel Universe is all of Marvel, (an Omniverse)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
Thanos/THOTI is credited with erasing and re-creating ALL of Marvel. 🙂
Never new a single Universe possessed Alternate Earths hm
and Timelines are separate UniverseS in Marvel.
Not according to Marvel.
According to Marvel, it was all of Time & Space in Marvel.
Other Realities outside the Multiverse are inconsequential.
What are they gonna do if Eternity/Infinity and the LT himself could do nothing?
And Actually if we "think a bit" (but also read carefully) ...
we can see Thanos absorbing the rest of Time & Space across all Reality:
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
Thanos says,
"For IF this BAND (Eternity/Infinity/LT) Could Defy Me
might not OTHERS be equally foolish?"
What "Others" might be equally foolish?
WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?
WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?
CAN'T be the Universe or the Living Tribunal,
he just ABSORBED the embodiments of the Universe,
(Eternity/Infinity remember) and the Living Tribunal.Why did Thanos continue to absorb until "nothing remained" in Marvel's Time & Space?
I'll answer those questions.
Thanos has to be talking about the rest of Marvel,
there is no other way to look at it.*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish,
the rest of Creation across all of Time & Space,
in other words, the Omniverse)
Very nice 😎 Still Thanos would lose and lose bad
You know, if the Presence was omnipresent then he would have defeated the GEB since the GEB would have only been a part of him. That was not the case- they stalemated. On the other hand, Thanos was Almighty and had no equal.
You do realize that GEB was not part of creation ? He was outside of everything .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You do realize that GEB was not part of creation ? He was outside of everything .
1. You just proved that the Presence is not omnipresent.
or
2. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb1.jpg
"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation." Formation is a synonym for creation.
The Presence excluded the GEB ever since he created it. I derived that the Presence is not omnipresent because if he was he would have been able to defeat the GEB since the GEB would simply be a part of him.
Alright Mr Master , I'll actually explain this the way I see it because there's no point in quoting you because it will mostly get us nowhere .
Let's start with the beginning and analize why the heart was actually given to Thanos .
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu06.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu07.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu08.jpg
Thanos notices that something is not wrong with the Universe . But what can that be ?
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu10.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu11.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu12.jpg
Why would this things affect the entire Omniverse , when it concerns only the ballance between life and death , between good and evil of that specific Universe/Multiverse ? It's the events that happened IN that Multiverse that truly affected the balance Within it . As you know , the Omniverse not only contains this Multiverse , but contains several other Multiverses without the 616 hierarchy in power (Meaning no Eternity etc) and which contain beings beyond human perception . Now I ask you , why exactly would Thanos , since he is supposdley one with the Omniverse not even mention this beings in the following scans ?
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu04.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu05.jpg
Why wouldn't the Living Tribunal summon beings from other Multiverses to fight Thanos with the Heart of the Universe when it was their Multiverse in danger , along with the rest of the Omniverse ? Why is every character that fights Thanos only from our Multiverse ? Why does it show only characters and places from our Multiverse when Thanos explains with what he is one with instead of showing other Multiverses ? And why exactly is the word "Universe" mentioned so many times ?
It is obvious that this Multiverse needed to be erased and restored and not the Omniverse .
Originally posted by Air Legend
I have two things to say to this.1. You just proved that the Presence is not omnipresent.
Formation is a synonym for creation.
or
2. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb1.jpg
[B]"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation."
The Presence excluded the GEB ever since he created it. I derived that the Presence is not omnipresent because if he was he would have been able to defeat the GEB since the GEB would simply be a part of him. [/B]
You don't really understand it do you ? GEB was outside of everything that existed , outside of creation . He was the void , the darkness . He was God's opposite . But then again , the concept is pretty hard to get , that's why the storyline with The Presence and Great Evil Beast was so great .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You don't really understand it do you ? GEB was outside of everything that existed , outside of creation . He was the void , the darkness . He was God's opposite . But then again , the concept is pretty hard to get , that's why the storyline with The Presence and Great Evil Beast was so great .
Originally posted by Air Legend
Wow, I'm amazed you're actually not flaming for once.
OK, I want to to know what you think
[B]"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation" means. [/B]
It's outside everything The Presence has created , outiside the Omniverse . He is the Darkness while The Presence is the Light . Ying and Yang . The Opposites .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Alright Mr Master , I'll actually explain this the way I see it because there's no point in quoting you because it will mostly get us nowhere .Let's start with the beginning and analize why the heart was actually given to Thanos .
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu06.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu07.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu08.jpgThanos notices that something is not wrong with the Universe . But what can that be ?
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu10.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu11.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu12.jpgWhy would this things affect the entire Omniverse , when it concerns only the ballance between life and death , between good and evil of that specific Universe/Multiverse ? It's the events that happened [B]IN
that Multiverse that truly affected the balance Within it . As you know , the Omniverse not only contains this Multiverse , but contains several other Multiverses without the 616 hierarchy in power (Meaning no Eternity etc) and which contain beings beyond human perception . Now I ask you , why exactly would Thanos , since he is supposdley one with the Omniverse not even mention this beings in the following scans ?
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu04.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/mu05.jpg
Why wouldn't the Living Tribunal summon beings from other Multiverses to fight Thanos with the Heart of the Universe when it was their Multiverse in danger , along with the rest of the Omniverse ? Why is every character that fights Thanos only from our Multiverse ? Why does it show only characters and places from our Multiverse when Thanos explains with what he is one with instead of showing other Multiverses ? And why exactly is the word "Universe" mentioned so many times ?
It is obvious that this Multiverse needed to be erased and restored and not the Omniverse . [/B]
Not to be rude but did you even read what Mr Master posted? Also (like Mr Master pointed out to you), Marvel officially declared that Thanos absorbed all of space and time- you can't argue against that.
