While i am of the opinion that Thanos had the almighties power in the
story 'The End', i still have the opinion that, at ANY time, the true OAA
could've simply taken it's power back, any time it felt like it.
To me, that's true omnipotence, true omciscience was knowing there
was a flaw in the first place, and knowing the means to fix the flaw.
I have no doubt TOAA could've taking it's power back on a whim, and
eradicating Thanos in the process if it so wished.
Thanos w/ THOTI vs Presence, straight power vs power, then maybe
a stalemate, however i don't believe Thanos had true omniscience
because he wasn't aware of the flaw until later in the story IIRC.
And yes omnipotence = omniscience is the bearer so wishes, but the
point is Thanos didn't wish it, so he didn't have it.
Presence FTW. TRUE omnipotnce, TRUE omniscience.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWERWhile i am of the opinion that Thanos had the almighties power in the
story 'The End', i still have the opinion that, at ANY time, the true OAA
could've simply taken it's power back, any time it felt like it.To me, that's true omnipotence, true omciscience was knowing there
was a flaw in the first place, and knowing the means to fix the flaw.I have no doubt TOAA could've taking it's power back on a whim, and
eradicating Thanos in the process if it so wished.Thanos w/ THOTI vs Presence, straight power vs power, then maybe
a stalemate, however i don't believe Thanos had true omniscience
because he wasn't aware of the flaw until later in the story IIRC.
And yes omnipotence = omniscience is the bearer so wishes, but the
point is Thanos didn't wish it, so he didn't have it.Presence FTW. TRUE omnipotnce, TRUE omniscience.
And evidently, Thanos did KNOW how to fix the flaw,
otherwise, there would be no Marvel right now.
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Toaa/God (artists/writers Avatars) in heaven (Marvel studios) is inconsequential,
Thanos didn't have that power, but neither does the Presence.
On the "wishing" note:
Thanos couldn't wish the problem away,
cause it's a 6 issue arc,
the story had to drag, Jim had to destroy and re-create Marvel, that was the deal,
so Jim was unable to wish the end prematurely in book in book #4.
The power of God withIN the Omniverse was demonstrated right here:
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(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006 - LT - bio)
"The Living Tribunal's ONLY superior is TOAA"
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Logic dictates that ONLY TOAA or a power = to or superior could defeat the LT:
LT gets stomped by Thanos/THOTI
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How can Thanos not be omniscient, when he was one with the Omniverse: (everything)
"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos became aware of the flaw "micro-seconds"
after his consciousness expanded across the Omniverse:And evidently, Thanos did KNOW how to fix the flaw,
otherwise, there would be no Marvel right now.
Okay this is my bad, but i stated i wasn't sure, hence the IIRC (if
i remember correctly), so i concede that point.
Toaa/God (artists/writers Avatars) in heaven (Marvel studios) is inconsequential,
Thanos didn't have that power, but neither does the Presence.
👆
On the "wishing" note:Thanos couldn't wish the problem away,
cause it's a 6 issue arc,
the story had to drag, Jim had to destroy and re-create Marvel, that was the deal,
so Jim was unable to wish the end prematurely in book in book #4.
I understand that pal, and this point, while correct, only applies to
Thanos, this doesn't really apple to TOAA, because TOAA could've
simply 'wished' the problem away to begin with and not even bother
with giving his power to Thanos.
The power of God withIN the Omniverse was demonstrated right here:......................................................................................
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006 - LT - bio)
"The Living Tribunal's ONLY superior is TOAA"
......................................................................................
Logic dictates that ONLY TOAA or a power = to or superior could defeat the LT:
LT gets stomped by Thanos/THOTI
......................................................................................
How can Thanos not be omniscient, when he was one with the Omniverse: (everything)
"I was Everything ... bonded to [B]Omni-Reality"
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I agree with this, but then, i never actually disagreed with this in
the first place 🙂
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrShow me one panel of the Presence doing anything to anyone. He exists in all of creation. He is in everything. Did you ever read about Asmodel storming heavens gates?
This one just made my day hystericalIt seems I made a good decision not putting you on ignore 😂
Show me a scan of the presence doing anything to combat anyone who opposed him in dcu?
You never ever debate and never counter anything. So I am good its like you have everyone on ignore and come into threads to give dc characters the win and then when asked why you dont say anything.
😂 😂
Ya do know Thanos can absorb everything he wants to right?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I thought about this long and hard. Thanos for the win as he simply absorbs the Presence without the Presence even fighting back.
You basically just said......
Thanos (Temporary Supreme being) >> Presence (True and Eternal Supreme Being).
How do you draw this conclusion?
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWEROk simple. Thanos has on panel battle feats while the Presence doesnt. The presence is also stated to exist in all of creation. Thanos absorbs it easily. When asmodel stormed the gates of heaven and when cronus was strorming heaven presence did not intervene. He wouldnt intervene when Thanos absorbed all of dc.
You basically just said......Thanos (Temporary Supreme being) >> Presence (True and Eternal Supreme Being).
How do you draw this conclusion?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok simple. Thanos has on panel battle feats while the Presence doesnt. The presence is also stated to exist in all of creation. Thanos absorbs it easily. When asmodel stormed the gates of heaven and when cronus was strorming heaven presence did not intervene. He wouldnt intervene when Thanos absorbed all of dc.
This is a versus battle, if that were the case LT cant be involved in any thread...who is going to decide if his three heads agree?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Show me two battle feats of the presence of dc.
I dont need to, remember there are rules and i have not seen any rule that states i have to provide feats, all i have to do is follow the rules,just like i dont need feats for TOAA
Why are you all of a sudden the official versus moderator? why cant i debate the way i like and you debate the way you like? if i cant sway people to my view...then so be it 😉
Originally posted by starlockOk. The reasong I have for this debate is simple. Thanos absorbs the entire dcu easily. The presence is in everything and gets absorbed. I have feats and proof presence exists in all of creation and I have proof Thanos can aborb all of creation.
I dont need to, remember there are rules and i have not seen any rule that states i have to provide feats, all i have to do is follow the rules,just like i dont need feats for TOAAWhy are you all of a sudden the official versus moderator? why cant i debate the way i like and you debate the way you like? if i cant sway people to my view...then so be it 😉
Feel free to disagree but Thanos wins easily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok. The reasong I have for this debate is simple. Thanos absorbs the entire dcu easily. The presence is in everything and gets absorbed. I have feats and proof presence exists in all of creation and I have proof Thanos can aborb all of creation.Feel free to disagree but Thanos wins easily.
But they are not views i agree with
I dont believe thanos absorbed more than one universe
i dont believe thanos became the one tru supreme being
i dont believe thanos got a hold of TOAA's power
Thanos went out and got a hold of a surpreme power....which i have heard before....but he is still a finite being who attained a supreme like state....he will not beat the presence i.m.o
Originally posted by starlockIt was stated he became god and supreme many times. He defeated the Lt who answers to no one other than TOAA.
But they are not views i agree withI dont believe thanos absorbed more than one universe
i dont believe thanos became the one tru supreme being
i dont believe thanos got a hold of TOAA's powerThanos went out and got a hold of a surpreme power....which i have heard before....but he is still a finite being who attained a supreme like state....he will not beat the presence i.m.o
When he had the ig he was never superior to the Lt but with the heart the Lt was a joke to Thanos. He killed a Celestial without even trying.
Feel free to disagree but imo Thanos wins easily as the presence wouldnt do a thing and would just be absorbed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was stated he became god and supreme many times. He defeated the Lt who answers to no one other than TOAA.When he had the ig he was never superior to the Lt but with the heart the Lt was a joke to Thanos. He killed a Celestial without even trying.
Feel free to disagree but imo Thanos wins easily as the presence wouldnt do a thing and would just be absorbed.
Right you keep believing the presence would do nothing, and i will remember that when i see you in a LT thread, because as you well know, LT needs all three faces to agree...and i see no such stipulations regarding the presence
I think its ok you think thanos will win, but dont think saying the presence will do nothing is a valid answer 😉
Originally posted by Air Legend
What a cop-out, bullshit answer.
And your curious as to why you get reported 😆
It seems to me your troubled, if you ever need someone to talk to,just pm me, i have at times been a social worker and have dealt with many problems that would cause such self destruction as you have apparently been showing, the offer is genuine and i would do my best to help a fellow teammate 👆
