Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Nice I remember that one.........so this fight is Genis-Vell in his photonic form then........
He is part of a fundemental force that is one of the building blocks of reality and was going to destroy the Universe because of the connection Zemo made with the Moonstones (he accelerated Genis-Vell return I believe which in turncaused by Genis-Vell to siphon energy at both the beginning and end)........
He is much powerful than his father but do not forget Prime survived an attack that basically destroyed a Universe no worse for wear from what I saw.........and do not forget.......Prime's very punches were altering reality across the entire DC.........
Even Superboy Prime had the durability to survive a Big Bang..........
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And he was severely weakened due to the lack of Solar Radiation when this occured......
His abilities are impressive but against Superman Prime I do not see what he could do to physically harm him.........against Superboy Prime Genis-Vell could use the Solar Limitation to his advantage to weaken Prime........but I will give Prime the win......I have not read Thunderbolts for a little while now but I do not recall Genis-Vell showing any force strong enough to put Prime down.......just to make sure I will go find my Thunderbolt's collection........
Can anyone tell me how Zemo defeated Genis-Vell.......I recall him slicing Genis-Vell into pieces then trapping him in different parts of time correct, right?
^ Genis-Vell changed reality without the need for plot device reality barriers and such by doing it the ole fashioned way and actually destroying the multiverse and rewriting history. Specifically, he changed where he ignored saving an alien girl's life who would go on to unite alien races. Of course, when he ends up saving her in the new multiverse, he sees that this leads to even greater destruction throughout the cosmos and goes insane again. Well, the effort is what counts, not the results... And remember, it was multiverse, not universe as this scan confirms:
As far as I see, Genis is well above Superman Prime in that department if you want to talk about universal destruction and all that jazz. As for what he'd physically do to him, I guess he could just drive him insane by unleashing a Primal Scream:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Genis-Vell, before he turned into Photon also helped destroy the universe and survived that destruction. He also survived the subsequent new Big Bang that restored the universe. As far as I see, Genis is one up on Superman Prime in that department if you want to talk about universal destruction and all that jazz.
Entropy (Cosmic Entity and basically off spring of Eternity) somehow managed to succeed into basically making Eternity reach Entropy (It was Entropy's destiny and design to do so I believe) .....but Genis-Vell was there........Entropy and I believe Epiphany was present later on.........it has been awhile since I read it but if I recall correctly I did not see him do anything to suggest he has anywhere near the power or durability to destroy and survive the destruction of a Universe.......if it was not for Entropy he would have been dust......Entropy ressurected him from his death........method of death was shooting himself in the head.......
He and Jones convinced Entropy to recreate Reality......since I recall Rick Jones was there ( I am pretty sure that Genis convinced Entropy to bring back Jones ) and also survived and witnessed the creation of a new reality it is safe to assume that Entropy did all of it........well Genis-Vell did make it so that they were sent back before the events that happened.......
OnPrime does this on his own power.......he survived the destruction of one under his own durability........
He was present at the destruction and recreation because of Entropy and such........
Do you remember what issue it was in? I want to go and re-read it to refresh my memory........
Originally posted by RageOfTheGodsConsidering that Entropy never takes credit for doing that and Genis actually takes the credit personally for allowing Rick Jones to witness the destruction and recreation of the multiverse on-panel, I'd say your interpretation is incorrect:
Entropy (Cosmic Entity and basically off spring of Eternity) somehow managed to succeed into basically making Eternity see Entropy.....but Genis-Vell was there........Entropy and I believe Epiphany was there as well.........it has been awhile since I read it but if I recall correctly I did not see him do anything to suggest he has anywhere near the power or durability to destroy and survive the destruction of a Universe.......if it was not for Entropy he would have been dust......Entropy ressurected him from his death........method of death was shooting himself in the head.......He and Jones convinced Entropy to recreate Reality......since I recall Rick Jones was there ( I am pretty sure that Genis convinced Entropy to bring back Jones ) and also survived and witnessed the creation of a new reality it is safe to assume that Entropy did all of it........
Originally posted by RageOfTheGods
Entropy (Cosmic Entity and basically off spring of Eternity) somehow managed to succeed into basically making Eternity reach Entropy (It was Entropy's destiny and design to do so I believe) .....but Genis-Vell was there........Entropy and I believe Epiphany was present later on.........it has been awhile since I read it but if I recall correctly I did not see him do anything to suggest he has anywhere near the power or durability to destroy and survive the destruction of a Universe.......if it was not for Entropy he would have been dust......Entropy ressurected him from his death........method of death was shooting himself in the head.......He and Jones convinced Entropy to recreate Reality......since I recall Rick Jones was there ( I am pretty sure that Genis convinced Entropy to bring back Jones ) and also survived and witnessed the creation of a new reality it is safe to assume that Entropy did all of it........well Genis-Vell did make it so that they were sent back before the events that happened.......
I think you have some things mixed up.
Entropy didn't make Eternity reach entropy, he simply killed him, unless that's what you meant which would be technically right.
Anyway Entropy needed Genis help to do this, by his own admission. It was never said or shown anywhere that Entropy brought Genis back to life, it was however shown that Genis could not die in a sense, he would simply just become energy, he no longer needed a physical body.
Entropy had nothing to do with Genis surviving the end of the universe, he might have however saved Epiphany, I don't know. Anyway, the only reason Rick was there was because Genis saved him through their bond. Entropy had nothing to do with Rick being there.
Genis shot Entropy in the head causing a big bang and turning Entropy into Eternity.
Rick only was unaffected because he didn't have a physical body to harm.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Considering that Entropy never takes credit for doing that and Genis actually takes the credit personally for allowing Rick Jones to witness the destruction and recreation of the multiverse on-panel, I'd say your interpretation is incorrect:
Hold on which issue was this in so I can refresh my memory.......I want to get all the facts before I continue this discussion lol.........
Genis "killing" Entropy and causing a big bang.
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"He's beyond the need of a physical body, or his physical body is beyond the needs he is familiar with" Entropy didn't bring Genis back to life.
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