Originally posted by Galan007
genis "killed" a willing entropy, by shooting him in the face with his kree weapon (none). anyhow, for some reason i just don't see prime having too much difficulty against a being that sentry was virtually stalemating.prime ftw.
You do realize the gun was powered by Genis, right?
Originally posted by Galan007Is crushing a bound Eternity better for you?
genis "killed" a willing entropy, by shooting him in the face with his kree weapon (none). anyhow, for some reason i just don't see prime having too much difficulty against a being that sentry was virtually stalemating.prime ftw.
Yeah. He takes personal credit for that too. Either way, going on durability alone, Genis survived both multiversal destruction and a multiversal Big Bang. Superman Prime apparently survived universal destruction... along with a lil flower. Anyhow, for some reason I just don't see Genis having too much difficulty against a being that Superman-1 and Superman-2 kicked the crap out of by dipping in the red sun for a few seconds.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Is crushing a bound Eternity better for you?
eh, not only did the battle in which eternity was killed take place off panel, but we know that both genis AND entropy were present. we also know that just before the battle transpired, entropy was asking for genis to help with this task [implying it was a shared feat]. in short, there is really no way to give genis sole credit for taking out eternity.
anyhow, sentry managed to stalemate photon for a while. imho, prime is >> sentry.
imo, prime takes this.
Originally posted by Mindsetthere is no proof whatsoever that the gun [or genis himself] can take out a being of entropy's caliber, if they are not willing to "die" in the first place. so i don't know why that 'feat' keeps getting brought up..
Ok, and Genis doesn't need the gun to use his power...😐
anyhow, i've already stated my opinion here. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007Never gave Genis sole credit for destroying Eternity. I just think the idea of crushing a bound Eternity in your hand is pretty cool. Either way, considering that Genis was only trying to stall Sentry as per Baron Zemo's specific instructions and not defeat him and both of them were holding back and not actually trying, I don't find that instance to be very applicable in this scenario. I guess, unless we're using a holding back, not-serious Genis who isn't trying to win here. Yeah, maybe then Superman Prime could stalemate and then get BFR'ed into the Microverse? As you know, Genis has true Cosmic Awareness. He'd completely know about Superman Prime's weakness.
eh, not only did the battle in which eternity was killed take place off panel, but we know that both genis AND entropy were present. we also know that just before the battle transpired, entropy was asking for genis to help with this task [implying it was a shared feat]. in short, there is really no way to give genis sole credit for taking out eternity.anyhow, sentry managed to stalemate photon for a while. imho, prime is >> sentry.
imo, prime takes this.
Anyhow, Superman-1 and Superman-2 managed to beat the snot out of Superboy Prime through a single red-sun dip. IMHO, Genis >> red-sun dip.
IMO, Genis takes this.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0you mean after prime returned from the SF weaker than before? after he took on the likes of black adam, j'onn, the ray, nightshade, conner, wondergirl, flash, multiple GL's [inc. hal and guy]? and even after all that + being flown through a red sun, he still managed to kill e-2 supes.
Anyhow, Superman-1 and Superman-2 managed to beat the snot out of Superboy Prime through a single red-sun dip.
that what you mean? 😛
Originally posted by OneDumbG0cool beans. 🙂
IMO, Genis takes this.
Originally posted by Galan007He had his suit on the whole time during the encounters you mention. You saw what he could do with his suit on in Sinestro Corps War. It continually fed him yellow sunlight.
you mean after prime returned from the SF weaker than before? after he took on the likes of black adam, j'onn, the ray, nightshade, conner, wondergirl, flash, multiple GL's [inc. hal and guy]? and even after all that + being flown through a red sun, he still managed to kill e-2 supes.that what you mean? 😛
cool beans. 🙂
Depowered Superman-2 = old man and depowered Superboy-Prime = teenager. You want to give props to a teenager for beating on an old man?
That what you mean? 😛
Either way, Genis, who can't turn off his damn true Cosmic Awareness even when he wants to, would sense his red sun weakness and transport him inside a red sun. The end.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Is crushing a bound Eternity better for you?Yeah. He takes personal credit for that too. Either way, going on durability alone, Genis survived both multiversal destruction and a multiversal Big Bang. Superman Prime apparently survived universal destruction... along with a lil flower. Anyhow, for some reason I just don't see Genis having too much difficulty against a being that Superman-1 and Superman-2 kicked the crap out of by dipping in the red sun for a few seconds.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0glad you brought that up, actually. during the first issue of SC wars, prime was released from his prison within a red sun, and given back his 'power suit'. fast-forward to "GL #22", and he can be seen just sitting on the moon waiting for the rest of the SC army to arrive. this means that for 7 issues, prime was just sitting on the moon doing nothing, with his suit on, and absorbing solar radiation [there is nothing to contradict this]. fast-forward yet again to the "superman-prime" comic, and prime specifically stated that he was "nearly whole" again. implying that despite him absorbing solar radiation at an enhanced rate for a total of 7 issues, he was still not at full power.
He had his suit on the whole time during the encounters you mention. You saw what he could do with his suit on in Sinestro Corps War. It continually fed him yellow sunlight.
point being, he surely wouldn't have been at full power when he broke out of the SF during infinite crisis either. why? because not only had he been kept under a red sun for "years" by the flashes, but when he came out of the SF, he immediately started battling heroes, which would naturally slow the absorption process.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0e-2 supes was far from a feeble old man.
Depowered Superman-2 = old man and depowered Superboy-Prime = teenager. You want to give props to a teenager for beating on an old man?That what you mean? 😛
Originally posted by Galan007That's reasonable. Doesn't change the fact that a single quick dip through a red-sun depowers Superman Prime from uber-kick-the-crap-out-of-everyone Infinite Crisis levels to nothing pretty much instantaneously. And well, Genis has Cosmic Awareness, which he couldn't turn off if he wanted to, and the ability to transport himself and people all over the place. He also has a vast, though sort of undefined, ability to manipulate energy personally.
glad you brought that up, actually. during the first issue of SC wars, prime was released from his prison within a red sun, and given back his 'power suit'. fast-forward to "GL #22", and he can be seen just sitting on the moon waiting for the rest of the SC army to arrive. this means that for 7 issues, prime was just sitting on the moon doing nothing, with his suit on, and absorbing solar radiation [there is nothing to contradict this]. yet in the "superman-prime" comic, he specifically stated that he was "nearly whole" again. implying that despite him absorbing solar radiation at an enhanced rate for a total of 7 issues, he was still not at full power.point being, he surely wouldn't have been at full power when he broke out of the SF during infinite crisis either. why? because not only had he been kept under a red sun for "years" by the flashes, but when he came out of the SF, he immediately started battling heroes, which would naturally slow the absorption process.
Originally posted by Galan007True. I still wouldn't give props to a raging emo teenager for beating up an old man who doesn't kill, feeble or not.
e-2 supes was far from a feeble old man.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0i agree that even if prime were at his max, a red sun dip would obviously weaken him. however, i wouldn't expect him to become anywhere near as weak as he was when said 'attack' was used against him during IC. why? because when we saw that attack used, prime was already weaker [and by a hefty margin, i'd wager] then he was at 'peak levels'.
That's reasonable. Doesn't change the fact that a single quick dip through a red-sun depowers Superman Prime from uber-kick-the-crap-out-of-everyone Infinite Crisis levels to nothing pretty much instantaneously. And well, Genis has Cosmic Awareness, which he couldn't turn off if he wanted to, and the ability to transport himself and people all over the place. He also has a vast, though sort of undefined, ability to manipulate energy personally.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0i would. guess i'm just sick like that. evillaugh
True. I still wouldn't give props to a raging emo teenager for beating up an old man who doesn't kill, feeble or not.
Originally posted by Galan007
there is no proof whatsoever that the gun [or genis himself] can take out a being of entropy's caliber, if they are not willing to "die" in the first place. so i don't know why that 'feat' keeps getting brought up..anyhow, i've already stated my opinion here. 🙂
And where are you getting Entropy was willing to die? Genis didn't give him a chance to do or say anything, Entropy was talking about creating something and asked where to begin, Genis said something then immediately shot Entropy in the head.
Exactly what level is Entropy? He needed Genis to help him beat Eternity.
And I was using it to show Genis was at the site of the big bang, I wasn't using him shooting Entropy as of feat of anything, so...
OneDumbG0, do you have a scan of Genis as Photon literally mind raping Purple Man (or whatever he was called), which ended up with said villian curled up in the fetal position crying on the ground? That's more or less along the lines of what I thinking of for my initial post:
Originally posted by Enyalus
Thats...nice. But Photon would make SMP cry. Literally.
Originally posted by Mindset
And where are you getting Entropy was willing to die? Genis didn't give him a chance to do or say anything, Entropy was talking about creating something and asked where to begin, Genis said something then immediately shot Entropy in the head.
Originally posted by Mindsetabstract.
Exactly what level is Entropy?
Originally posted by Mindsetthe act of killing eternity didn't affect genis and the gang, so why would his resurrection? *shrugs*
And I was using it to show Genis was at the site of the big bang, I wasn't using him shooting Entropy as of feat of anything, so...
