Classic Juggs vs Superboy Prime

Originally posted by Galan007
If SBP can punch out of the Phantom Zone, then Juggy's force-field would more then likely crumble, imo.

^^ Co-signed. SBP has broken dimensional barriers. Cytorrak is strong, but his bands have been broken by the Hulk, therefore it can be said that his power has it's limit, especially that Juggernaut (even in his classic form) doesn't have full use of the gems' capabilities.

I don't think that Superman could break through Juggernaut's barrier, but I believe that SBP could based upon past showings.

you need 1 of the following to hurt juggernaut: Magic, Psionics, or bad writing.... all of which id like to consider SBP doesnt have... he still wins, just by bfr

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
you need 1 of the following to hurt juggernaut: Magic, Psionics, or bad writing.... all of which id like to consider SBP doesnt have... he still wins, just by bfr

8th Day Juggs would have been a better match imo.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
you need 1 of the following to hurt juggernaut: Magic, Psionics, or bad writing.... all of which id like to consider SBP doesnt have... he still wins, just by bfr

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
you need 1 of the following to hurt juggernaut: Magic, Psionics, or bad writing.... all of which id like to consider SBP doesnt have... he still wins, just by bfr

You cannot bust your way out of the phantom zone and out of the speed force with pure physical might.

Juggy could never catch SBP but juggy (classic at least) was stated to have infinite strength by Marvel in Greenmail. 8th Day Juggy said he FELT stronger and better than ever, but really that pretty much was just a mood, not a higher degree of infinity since.... well you get the point. Trion had the same physical strength as classic, he just was able to tap into Cyttoraks other powers. True Juggy hasnt shown many strength feats at a cosmic level other than 1 shotting the Stranger, but he doesnt really face the same par opponents as SBP whos opposers are many times stronger (Supes, superboy, GL's, etc)

Originally posted by Kutulu
You cannot bust your way out of the phantom zone and out of the speed force with pure physical might.

Im aware of that, then why are people listing that as if it was a physical feat?

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Juggy could never catch SBP but juggy (classic at least) was stated to have infinite strength by Marvel in Greenmail. 8th Day Juggy said he FELT stronger and better than ever, but really that pretty much was just a mood, not a higher degree of infinity since.... well you get the point. Trion had the same physical strength as classic, he just was able to tap into Cyttoraks other powers. True Juggy hasnt shown many strength feats at a cosmic level other than 1 shotting the Stranger, but he doesnt really face the same par opponents as SBP whos opposers are many times stronger (Supes, superboy, GL's, etc)

During the 8th day saga, Juggernaut showed a clear strength advantage to Thor, who in past enounters seemed only slightly weaker than Juggernaut and was able to stand toe to toe with him.

As far as I recall, this was the old reading of Juggernaut's strength (classic ver.)
Strength Level: The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Im aware of that, then why are people listing that as if it was a physical feat?

The whole point is that it's not a physical feat; meaning that it takes something more than pure physicality to bust through Juggernaut's forcefield.

Originally posted by Kutulu
The whole point is that it's not a physical feat; meaning that it takes something more than pure physicality to bust through Juggernaut's forcefield.

Yes and i agree with you there... did i say something that was counter to that?

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/Juggy_vote1.jpg

"We here in the HULK office like to think that the strongest super here on Earth is our green-skinned behemoth. The current opinion around Marvel HQ is that it is the Juggernaut because of the limitless power of Cyttorak he calls upon."

Now many will say that was a while ago... OBVIOUSLY, cause it was at the time of CLASSIC juggernaut, not depowered current

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Yes and i agree with you there... did i say something that was counter to that?

You said:

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Im aware of that, then why are people listing that as if it was a physical feat?

That's why I replied that it was not a physical feat alone, and that's why I quoted you the first time. Nobody here referenced SBP as being purely physical. They simply referenced his strength as being precrisis level, which implies that it was able to do things that break the normal laws of reality (for example towing a string of planets billions of light years through space, or casually tosses a neutron star thousands of miles).

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/Juggy_vote1.jpg

"We here in the HULK office like to think that the strongest super here on Earth is our green-skinned behemoth. The current opinion around Marvel HQ is that it is the Juggernaut because of the limitless power of Cyttorak he calls upon."

Now many will say that was a while ago... OBVIOUSLY, cause it was at the time of CLASSIC juggernaut, not depowered current

Classic Juggernaut was vulnerable to mysic and psionics, you said it yourself (and of course he was taken down by Nimrod). SBP breaking dimensional barriers counts as a force which is not purely physical, therefore has a chance of breaking through his forcefield.

The cutout that you pointed to also says "limitless", not "infinite". Note that there is a difference.

By saying Cyttoraks bands were broken by Hulk (which they have, no argue there) i assumed u were implying since same post that it was physical, besides, suppose he got through his force field, Juggys actual body is equally indestructable, but unlike the shield you cannot turn off his indestructablility...ness...thing...

Yes limitless is different from infinite i suppose... but he fully taps into the strength portion or the gem, when it was stated he doesnt fully use the gem, it wasnt by any means referring to physical prowess, he didnt take advantage of the other abilities that the gem offered which Trion did.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Superboy Prime is much faster than lightspeed, he flew across intergalactic distances in hours, and he fought against people at beyond light speeds (Flashes, Green Lanterns, Kryptonians, etc.)

No, SBP is LIGHTSPEED at his fastest. He NEVER fought at lightspeed.

SBP would come in and try to punch Juggs then Juggs slaps him and sends him flying.

Juggs wins.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
No, SBP is LIGHTSPEED at his fastest. He NEVER fought at lightspeed.

You're joking... right? 😕

Originally posted by Phenomenol
No, SBP is LIGHTSPEED at his fastest. He NEVER fought at lightspeed.

SBP would come in and try to punch Juggs then Juggs slaps him and sends him flying.

Juggs wins.

You're stoned. 😐.

Originally posted by Soljer
You're stoned. 😐.

He needs to puff puff pass. sfun_bangdesk

Someone post the scan where SBP was flying away from the heroes and he was moving at the speed of light(right before he went through the red sun)!

Juggs will KO SBP.

Jugs wins, SBP has no answer for Juggs, he would KO SBP

Originally posted by Phenomenol
SBP would come in and try to punch Juggs then Juggs slaps him and sends him flying.

Juggs wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
You can beat someone who can fly, by sending them....... Flying? 🤨

I mean that SBP would be Knocked out flying! 🙂