wolverine vs deathstroke

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except it isn't PIS for Wolverine, he does the stuff he does because he is capable of it and has been doing it since Bryne started working on x-men and convince Claremont not to kick Wolverine off the team. Not sure why it such a hard idea to get ones head around that superstrength isn't the only way to win a fight.

Wolverine can't beat Northstar or Hulk. Wolverine can beat Thing, Namor and Colossus.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Can" vs "more often than not"

More often than not all those listed resoundingly beat the Canuck.

Why? Because they are stronger? Wolverine is faster then all of them (Namor is slightly faster) and a much more capable h2h combatant why is it so difficult to believe that he would get the first hit and that it would be one that would most likely end the fight (or in the very list tipthe scales his way)?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Northstar beats Wolverine the same way he beat Sabretooth.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why? Because they are stronger? Wolverine is faster then all of them (Namor is slightly faster) and a much more capable h2h combatant why is it so difficult to believe that he would get the first hit and that it would be one that would most likely end the fight (or in the very list tipthe scales his way)?

The assumption that Wolverine always somehow gets the first hit and this will put down whoever he's fighting instantly really doesn't sit well with me.

Originally posted by newjak86
Its not that superstrength wins everything it just most people myself included find it hard to believe he can fight the poeple in head first without being nearly as strong fast or powerful as these people. they should send him flying with a small backhand. Healing factor or not when he is three miles away and KOed I don't think it will help.
DS is more believable because he is very enhanced and has shown feats that back up his combat reflexes plus his brain power allows him to out himself in favorable positions to win no matter who the oppenent is.

And as I have said many many times before why do we decided that Hulk don't getting knocked into orbit when fighting someone like Thor is any better? There strength levels don't effect there weight, they all weigh well under a ton... but for some reason it is only a travesty that Wolverine isn't knocked out of the ring?

The feats that DS have showing he has combat reflexes anywhere near the level people are implying he has are vastly outnumbered by his showings of being fairly even against common street level opponents.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hulk has a healing factor at least 10x Wolverines and stats at least 100x Wolverines. The only reason Wolverine has a shot against bricks is because he has a healing factor which allows him to take their best hits where as they don't. So tell me how does Wolverine have a shot a beating the Hulk? I just don't see it. And Northstar beats Wolverine the same way he beat Sabretooth.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Can" vs "more often than not"

More often than not all those listed resoundingly beat the Canuck.

not true wolevrien ahs a betetr record vs all three

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He cannot pierce Colossus - who also is stated as having enhanced speed when armoured. Namor is much faster than him, can fly and drop oil tankers. Either of them should backhand him into the upper atmosphere as big daddy newyak stated.

The assumption that Wolverine always somehow gets the first hit and this will put down whoever he's fighting instantly really doesn't sit well with me.

umm were was it ever stated wolverien can't cut colosusse because the evidence show wolverien can. it was actauly stated that colossuse armor is no match for wolveriens admatium claws. also wolverine claws have cut colossus befor

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why? Because they are stronger? Wolverine is faster then all of them (Namor is slightly faster) and a much more capable h2h combatant why is it so difficult to believe that he would get the first hit and that it would be one that would most likely end the fight (or in the very list tipthe scales his way)?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He cannot pierce Colossus - who also is stated as having enhanced speed when armoured. Namor is much faster than him, can fly and drop oil tankers. Either of them should backhand him into the upper atmosphere as big daddy newyak stated.

The assumption that Wolverine always somehow gets the first hit and this will put down whoever he's fighting instantly really doesn't sit well with me.

More often then not Namor engages opponents directly in hand to hand (Hercules, Thing, Hulk, Herc ect.) but for some reason he flys away an gets an oil tanker to drop on Wolverine? Sorry but forum fights are in character. Namor is more then cabable of defeating Wolverine, I just think that more often then not Wolverine wins.

I believe that Wolverine can cut Colossus, Peter has at least twice implied that he believe Wolverine can but its all a matter of oppinion. Also I doubt doubt that Colossus has enhanced strenght (infact I know he does) but so does Wolverine, on a slightly higher order then Peters.

Originally posted by newjak86
Obviously against the first hit tactic works because if he gets the first he would win. Latough I think it is a bit naive to believe he will always get that critcal first hit. Especially when his favorite tactic is running in head first just swinging.
Also he really isn't anything more thanpeak human maybe slightly better in terms of speed and agility but not by much.
Plus all the other people have to do is simplt grab a heavey object place it on Logan and its over. When the could literaly grab Wolvie's arm and rip the muscles of it them ans aren't much slower if at all I think I will side with them.

Wolverine is slightly superhuman in almost all aspects (agility is a little shaky though, I can only think of 6 superhuman agility feats for Logan of the top of my head).

Heavy item for win = plot device. In that respect Wolverine could go all stealthy ninja style and hide in a forest and ambush is opponent

Originally posted by newjak86
Obviously against the first hit tactic works because if he gets the first he would win. Latough I think it is a bit naive to believe he will always get that critcal first hit. Especially when his favorite tactic is running in head first just swinging.
Also he really isn't anything more thanpeak human maybe slightly better in terms of speed and agility but not by much.
Plus all the other people have to do is simplt grab a heavey object place it on Logan and its over. When the could literaly grab Wolvie's arm and rip the muscles of it them ans aren't much slower if at all I think I will side with them.

inm agility and reflex wolverine is far over peak. also in strength wolverine a great deal over peak

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And as I have said many many times before why do we decided that Hulk don't getting knocked into orbit when fighting someone like Thor is any better? There strength levels don't effect there weight, they all weigh well under a ton... but for some reason it is only a travesty that Wolverine isn't knocked out of the ring?

The feats that DS have showing he has combat reflexes anywhere near the level people are implying he has are vastly outnumbered by his showings of being fairly even against common street level opponents.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
again not true were was it ever state dhulk has a betetr healign factor?
also wolverien ebats hulk in a lot of stats

No needs to state that Hulks healing factor is better then Wolverine's, I've seen it in action so I know it is. Deadpool and Hulk both have better healing factors then Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
More often then not Namor engages opponents directly in hand to hand (Hercules, Thing, Hulk, Herc ect.) but for some reason he flys away an gets an oil tanker to drop on Wolverine? Sorry but forum fights are in character. Namor is more then cabable of defeating Wolverine, I just think that more often then not Wolverine wins.

Weird you subscribe to the same definition of plot device as jinzin...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I believe that Wolverine can cut Colossus, Peter has at least twice implied that he believe Wolverine can but its all a matter of oppinion. Also I doubt doubt that Colossus has enhanced strenght (infact I know he does) but so does Wolverine, on a slightly higher order then Peters.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No needs to state that Hulks healing factor is better then Wolverine's, I've seen it in action so I know it is. Deadpool and Hulk both have better healing factors then Wolverine.

why? what has hulk doen thats better then wolveirne?
I honestly think hulk heals from certain things faster. but wolverine seem to heal from bigger things faster like healing a new eye ball for instance hulk will take hours wolverine will take seconds.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
why? what has hulk doen thats better then wolveirne?
I honestly think hulk heals from certain things faster. but wolverine seem to heal from bigger things faster like healing a new eye ball for instance hulk will take hours wolverine will take seconds.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Even when CIS is off people say that Wolverine wins...

Weird you subscribe to the same definition of plot device as jinzin...
Been shown that the best he could accomplish was to barely score the surface - he doesn't have the strength to do any real damage.

again wolverien cut was from the angle of the slash, for example if he stabbed peter be dead. alls the pic states that colossus armor is storng but no match for wolverines admatium claws. by the way petter has been cut by wolverines claws and has stated wolverines claws will cut him.

Originally posted by newjak86
Actually it can be argued that the characters can brace themsleves and use their own muscles asa counter like many fighters do which keep them from getting pushed back everytime they get hita little bit.
DS has also at one time or another seemlying dominated all those guys as well. I can remember the time he could have killed Batman easily but didn't. DS uses his skills to far better use has weapons that are just as nasty as anything Wolverine brings to the table and has been shown I believe to be faster than the Woverine.

That would only be an reasonable assumption if we assume the attack is coming straight on, directly at the target if it was an uppercut or anything other then a straight jab it wouldn't work. Even then target should still go sliding back a great distance opposed to being knocked through the air.

DS has fought Batman twice, Batman was giving almost as good as he was getting on both occasions.