wolverine vs deathstroke

Originally posted by Arabian Knight
Wolverine fighting Hulk and living isn't PIS, it's CIS. Hulk is dumb, anyone can stalemate the guy by out thinking him. BEATING Hulk is PIS. Wolverine, by his bio and powerset is incapable of it.

Slade's powerset, super human: strength/speed/senses/agility/INTELLIGENCE plus his insane arsenal of weapons, allows even his wildest feats to seem reasonable.

If you had superhuman everything, massive firepower AND a brain that was capable of thinking/acting like a computer, you could be a Titan's main villain.

If you have slightly above peak human strength/speed and good healing with six knives.....you aren't too dangerous.

In a comic written by a non-biased writer with these two fighting, Slade would ****ing humiliate Wolverine.

Logan: -rushes- Raaah!! -he's blastes 20 feet- -gets up- RAAAH!! -blasted 20 feet- -Gets up...slower- Raaah!! -blastes 20 feet- -starts to get up...gets blown up by a grenade-

Slade: What the hell was that about?

Like someone said, Wolverine is a brick killer, but against people who are as skilled as him plus stronger and smarter with weapons that outclass his own, he can't hold a candle.

So what was Deathstroke taking down JLA. A well written event?
That was perhaps the single greatest display of PIS/CIS in DC.

Originally posted by id369
So what was Deathstroke taking down JLA. A well written event?
That was perhaps the single greatest display of PIS/CIS in DC.

Its called canon and fair and thats why wolverine will crawl back in a hole and wimper for his mom cuz slade will rock him.

Originally posted by id369
So what was Deathstroke taking down JLA. A well written event?
That was perhaps the single greatest display of PIS/CIS in DC.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Namor is brick that more often then not gets into a slug feast with his opponent, Wolverine is slightly faster, more cabable in hand 2 hand and has a means to severily injury Namor. His healing factor is several orders of magnitude greater then Slades and he can afford to take hits from Namor. Slade's power staff isn't going to drop either Namor or Aquaman and he can't take a direct hit from either of them an get up.

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Waitwait...Wolverine is not faster then Namor.

Originally posted by soleran30
Its called canon and fair and thats why wolverine will crawl back in a hole and wimper for his mom cuz slade will rock him.

My god...

The whole reason SM v FL, PIS and Hama rules is to ignore bad examples of canon feats. Everyone knows cross overs aren't canon and these rules have nothing to do with them because the aren't allowed to be used as evidence by default.

So yeah the feat is canon but that doesn't make it acceptable... unless you are trying to say every single canon feat is usable, in which case we have Wolverine taking the nuke and Slade still can't beat him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Waitwait...Wolverine is not faster then Namor.

I ment to say slightly slower...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why hitting Namor is not crap?

He's moved his hands fast enough to make a sculpture in less then second...grabbed an propeller that rotates with very fast speeds...outspeeded WWII airplanes...dodged lasers while being near to fainting...grabbed missiles from air...moved so fast that Daredevil was not able to do anything...jumped fast enough to reach and outspeed meteors...moves his hands and legs fast enough to swim with Mach speeds...dodges machine gun fire from Warmachine with ease...

The only feat there that is out of Wolverine's speed class is the sculpture one which is uncharacteristically fast for Namor. The propeller feat has more to do with invunrability then speed, the meteor one is a leg strength feat and as we have seen before Namor's water speed has little baring on his land speed. On land he slugs it out with guys like Hercules, Hulk and the Thing and you know what? They all hit him. He said he was faster the Hercules in one of their fights (he also said Herc was stronger) but clear neither had enough of an edge to make a difference. Namor is fast but he is no Quick Silver and it isn't beyond Wolverine to hit him.

Why are we talking about Namor anyway?

cause he's obsessed and can't let it go that wolverine's had two extremely good displays against namor... 🙄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only feat there that is out of Wolverine's speed class is the sculpture one which is uncharacteristically fast for Namor. The propeller feat has more to do with invunrability then speed, the meteor one is a leg strength feat and as we have seen before Namor's water speed has little baring on his land speed. On land he slugs it out with guys like Hercules, Hulk and the Thing and you know what? They all hit him. He said he was faster the Hercules in one of their fights (he also said Herc was stronger) but clear neither had enough of an edge to make a difference. Namor is fast but he is no Quick Silver and it isn't beyond Wolverine to hit him.

Why are we talking about Namor anyway?

Mhm...Daredevil hits Wolverine all the time...and Daredevil is as fast as normal human in terms of speed. On fights between superheroes, the stronger and faster character is usually downplayed in speed and strength, like in the fights between Daredevil and Wolverine. Or Thing and Namor. Or Hercules and Namor. Or Hulk (who is not slow at all) and Namor. Or Slade and Flash. They move MUCH faster outside fights. Thats why superhero fights are not good evidence...they are usually full of either PIS or CIS or both.

And the sculpture feat is still his feat, canon, and nothing odd to someone who can move his hands with Mach speeds. The meteor one is leg movement feat. Namor also needs to move his hands and legs with very fast speeds to move with Mach speeds through water. He still needs to move his hands with high speeds to be able to grab the propeller.

And I was talking about Namor, because I think it's quite biased that when Wolverine hits an character who has proven to be fast enough to dodge faster things then Wolverine, it's not PIS, but when Slade hits an character who is also proven to be fast enough to dodge faster things then Slade, it's not PIS...🤨

Originally posted by jinzin
cause he's obsessed and can't let it go that wolverine's had two extremely good displays against namor... 🙄

And you can't accept that only time when Wolverine can beat Namor is when Namor fights like an idiot...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My god...

The whole reason SM v FL, PIS and Hama rules is to ignore bad examples of canon feats. Everyone knows cross overs aren't canon and these rules have nothing to do with them because the aren't allowed to be used as evidence by default.

So yeah the feat is canon but that doesn't make it acceptable... unless you are trying to say every single canon feat is usable, in which case we have Wolverine taking the nuke and Slade still can't beat him.

yeah except Slade is constantly tackling huge hitters like WW, AQ, GL, Flash both bart and wally...........so its not like they are just isolated.............takes on the teen titans......superboy, raven, cyborg etc etc he is a super meta package and thats why guys like Wolverine are like a scoobysnack to him.

Originally posted by soleran30
yeah except Slade is constantly tackling huge hitters like WW, AQ, GL, Flash both bart and wally...........so its not like they are just isolated.............takes on the teen titans......superboy, raven, cyborg etc etc he is a super meta package and thats why guys like Wolverine are like a scoobysnack to him.

No with out prep time Slade fights more or less even with Batman, Nightwing as gotten the better of him, been stalemated by Azrael in a sword fight, has beaten by Eddie Fryers twice, beaten by Bronze Tiger, has been hit by Robin taken, has out by Deadshot twice and running scared for his life from Vandal Savage's band of second rate villains.

The moment WW tried in her fight with Slade she took him down and a blind Aqualman had Slade on the run so not really any PIS there. However GLs seem to forget they have a GL ring every time shows his face, and that is PIS and I don't know what I need explain why Slade hitting the Flash is PIS. You do know who the Flash is don't you? The guy who evacuated everyone in LA out of the blast range of a massive explosion after the bomb went off, the guy who was on a collapsing bridge ran to the library read every book on construction/memorised all the blue prints of bridges ran to the construction sight and back to the bridge and repaired it before any of the cars on the bridge feel into the water... yeah the Flash the guy who operates several order of magnitudes above light speed.

I realize all of what you said however regardless This guy DS is a guy that takes on TEAMS of super hero's regardless of how you like it. One simple guy like Wolverine has little chance.

I am not saying Wolverine has no chance because thats crap however More often then not DS takes it to Wolverine.

So please don't get me started on PIS/CIS when Wolverine is involved the Pendulum swings both ways.

Originally posted by soleran30
I realize all of what you said however regardless This guy DS is a guy that takes on TEAMS of super hero's regardless of how you like it. One simple guy like Wolverine has little chance.

I am not saying Wolverine has no chance because thats crap however More often then not DS takes it to Wolverine.

So please don't get me started on PIS/CIS when Wolverine is involved the Pendulum swings both ways.

This match takes place in a sealed environment with no prep time.

What can Slade do besides keep his distance with his weapons, while Logan moves in for the kill.

Eventually he is going to run out of amo.

And not only that despite Slade having the physical advantage over Logan, He dosnt recover as quick as Logan does, or take pain.

Logan stabs Slade in his dysfunctional eye, Slade will start bitching and moaning about how much his eye hurts.

On the other hand Logan has bien burned, Multiple bullet shots, or even having kinetically charged stick blow up in his mouth, he simply shakes it off and finishes his business.

Originally posted by soleran30
I realize all of what you said however regardless This guy DS is a guy that takes on TEAMS of super hero's regardless of how you like it. One simple guy like Wolverine has little chance.

Wolverine has taken on teams before as well. He beat half the heroes in NY while mind controlled, beat Alpha Flight, and beat the x-men in a Danger room similation but these (like DS Identity Crisis 3 fight) are crap feats and full of PIS.

Originally posted by soleran30
So please don't get me started on PIS/CIS when Wolverine is involved the Pendulum swings both ways.

Except you don't need to argue about Wolverine PIS feats because it hasn't been broughten up. I'm not saying Wolverine beats Slade because (to avoid confussion this is a short list of Wolverine PIS feats)he took a nuke seconds after regenerating 90% of his body mass and was fine, or because he has hit Speed Demon and Northstar, or because he has beaten Alpha Flight, or because he survived a trip to the sun, or because he fought Glads for six days, or because even bone claw Wolverine cut Thanos. No I have left PIS out of my Wolverine arguement... it would be nice if the Slade supporters did the same.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has taken on teams before as well. He beat half the heroes in NY while mind controlled, beat Alpha Flight, and beat the x-men in a Danger room similation but these (like DS Identity Crisis 3 fight) are crap feats and full of PIS.

Except you don't need to argue about Wolverine PIS feats because it hasn't been broughten up. I'm not saying Wolverine beats Slade because (to avoid confussion this is a short list of Wolverine PIS feats)he took a nuke seconds after regenerating 90% of his body mass and was fine, or because he has hit Speed Demon and Northstar, or because he has beaten Alpha Flight, or because he survived a trip to the sun, or because he fought Glads for six days, or because even bone claw Wolverine cut Thanos. No I have left PIS out of my Wolverine arguement... it would be nice if the Slade supporters did the same.

Slade fights more or less even with Batman

Nightwing as gotten the better of him

Every thing you mention is during his depowered stage....I'm beginning to think you have no clue as to when these stages took place. Or...ya know...you're lying...again.

ALL we have of Slade full powered feats is his first appearances in Titans, where he tagged Flash multiple times and took out the whole team.... and the JLA fight in IC. The early titan fights and the year 2000-current fights.

That's about it.

Originally posted by id369
This match takes place in a sealed environment with no prep time.

What can Slade do besides keep his distance with his weapons, while Logan moves in for the kill.

Eventually he is going to run out of amo.

And not only that despite Slade having the physical advantage over Logan, He dosnt recover as quick as Logan does, or take pain.

Logan stabs Slade in his dysfunctional eye, Slade will start bitching and moaning about how much his eye hurts.

On the other hand Logan has bien burned, Multiple bullet shots, or even having kinetically charged stick blow up in his mouth, he simply shakes it off and finishes his business.

Yes, but enough stuff hitting Logan WILL kill him. Sabretooth's healing is supposed to be better than Wolverine, but Wolverine killed him. How? Slashing, most likely. Slade is fast enough to pile on enough damage to override Wolverine's healing factor, if Logan gets immobilized somehow. If only he carried some sort of fancy, unbreakable device, that could incapacitate Wolverine... Something with holes in it, so a sword would still be able to get through and cut Wolverine. Something like... A NET! Just one of the things that Slade just so happens to carry with him. And they all just so happen to be made out of promethium, which is essentially equal to adamantium, meaning Logan CAN'T CUT IT. (Cyborg's armor isn't promethium, neither is the chainmail) Net, slash slash slash for a minute or two, Logan dies.

What if Slade wanted to take out Logan in one big bang? Now, who could Slade have faced that's more durable than Logan... Superboy, possibly? Hey, he's got some sweet grenades there. They seem to work on Superboy well enough. Please explain to me EXACTLY how Wolverine would survive an explosion that knocks out Superboy.

Now, onto "PIS". Slade has gone toe to toe with Batman, true. But that's Batman. You must keep in mind that Batman is the top selling character in DC. He beats EVERYONE. Deathstroke's also gone toe to toe with Starfire, and done very well. Many of your examples were pre-upgrade, circumstance filled, and PIS by themselves. Or misleading. Aquaman's debatable, and not many people can really last against Wonderwoman, whether she's trying or not. When fighting Azrael, Slade's life energy was being slowly sucked away, while Azrael's was not. Unfair comparison.

There WAS PIS involved in the JLA fight, yes. Was it all PIS? Not even close. KOing Zatanna before she can speak? Probably not. Kyle went retarded, and Flash was feeling less than Godlike. The rest was done pretty well.

Flash was PIS just because it's Flash, though getting hit by people much too slow to hit him is exactly what Flash does when he's with the JLA. Impulse, however, is not nearly as fast as Flash. Slade vs. Impulse was done very well, IMO. Impulse hits Slade a bunch of times, Slade grabs him and takes him out. It's more skill and reactions than actual speed.

Originally posted by long pig
Slade had almost 0% of his powers. It's a moot point.

It happened when Slade had no memory of his past or how to use his power after getting them back. He was de-aged then. When Slade DID get his memory/power back, NW got K.O'd in one punch.

Every thing you mention is during his depowered stage....I'm beginning to think you have no clue as to when these stages too place. Or...ya know...you're lying...again.

All we have of Slade full powered is his first appearances in Titans, where he tagged Flash multiple times and took out the whole team and then the current 2000-current fights.

That's it.

What are you talking about? De-aged Slade got his memories back in the explotion that he told Wintergreen robbed him of his powers (when really it boasted them). This happened in the Deathstroke title which ended in 96, the NW fight I possed scans of happened in 98, Slade's second fight against Batman also happened in 97. DS was also at full power in his first fight with Batman aswell, he didn't start losing his powers until he started training Vigilante which happened a few issues latter. I'm starting to think you have no idea what your talking about... wait I've know that for a while now.

I do believe LP stated 2000-current fights. Not your 1990's stuff.