Originally posted by janus77
lol,
Juggernaut was hurt plenty by War Hulk and as this wasn't a fight of any consequence to Hulk he really didn't bother doing anything more than simply removing juggernaut from the battlefield.remember how juggernaut was "unstoppable"? that didn't last did it?
juggernaut would lose to War Hulk to a really focused Savage Hulk and definitely to WW Hulk. it's just a question of time before the inevitable overpowering strength of The Hulk does the job.
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Yea, they could have used someone cooler than Zom.He may be powerful, but man he's like the lamest villian in Strange's entire rogues' gallery.
It should have been Shuma.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Zom ETERNITY'S superior?
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That's why my eyes are tearing up - not because Zom is lame, but because people are going to use this fight to justify this Hulk being on Eternity's level....I can see it now.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's why my eyes are tearing up - not because Zom is lame, but because people are going to use this fight to justify this Hulk being on Eternity's level....I can see it now.
Originally posted by Estacado
So true...haermm
Like people mixing the Annihilation feat of Terrax with Sentry stopping his axe while it was in momentum....shocklaugh
Sentry can casually take a planet destroying attack to his left eyeball and reflect it back on his attacker by blinking his eyelids!
Don't object, you're just hating on Sentry!
Originally posted by Soljer
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Zom ETERNITY'S superior?....
That's why my eyes are tearing up - not because Zom is lame, but because people are going to use this fight to justify this Hulk being on Eternity's level....I can see it now.
I COMPLETELY agree with you! People like Janus cant see that this is some of the worst writing since Onslaught saga and they cant see it with all the signs... Pretty much any time hulk "overpowers" a classic style juggy (minus War Hulk since Celestrial's were the ones who imprissoned Cyttorak from the start and they power Hulk at that point) is a PIS. Note that i say classic style aka indestructable and infinite strength... I just love and hate the fact that people are like Hulk should have won this battle and he was jobbed....
DONT GET ME WRONG ANY1, i respect hulk as a character and love his comics but his hulk-ophile fans just make him as a character so much less enjoyable...
Hmm... lookin at the last scan:
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wwhxmen3dcp0032nc9.jpg
did they have ne further encounter? I mean did Hulk just stop attacking Xavier or somethin? It also seems like either Hulks pride or body has been hurt but i dont see from what? he got hit like... twice and then his opponent ran... maybe this is just me... i guess ill just have to go out and buy the comic
1. juggernaut is not even close to "indestructible".
2. he's most certainly not "unstoppable".
3. he definitely wasn't too much for Savage Hulk.
4. he absolutely positively does not possess nor have any hope of possessing "infinite strength".
some minor corrections to your errant comments.
War Hulk was just Hulk with more strength.
in fact Apocalypse says that the CELESTIAL TECH indicates HULK'S powers may be great enough to be of consequence to The Celestials.
That's Apocalypse's reason for choosing to try and harness the power of The Hulk in the first place.
now if I were a fanboy, with tendencies similar to yours for juggernaut, I would obviously take that to mean that Hulk's potential exceeds Cyttorak's limits.
that however was not ever my contention, nor do I think anyone approaching Cyttorak's levels is necessary to destroy juggernaut.
he is but a fraction of Cyttorak's powers, and a being with 'genuine' access to infinite energies, a being whom the god damned Beyonder called a source of infinite power - The Hulk - would eclipse that in the normal course of events.
Hulk, sufficiently focused and determined >>> juggernaut. that's all. pretty reasonable really. everyone from Stan Lee on down has said the Hulk has infinite power to call upon, and has no limit to how strong he can get.
Originally posted by janus77
1. juggernaut is not even close to "indestructible".
2. he's most certainly not "unstoppable".
3. he definitely wasn't too much for Savage Hulk.
4. he absolutely positively does not possess nor have any hope of possessing "infinite strength".
You are wrong on the first three. #4 There is a very good chance that he can increase his strength. Just to correct your opinions.
Also on #1, Juggernaut has never been injured while at full power.
Originally posted by janus77
1. juggernaut is not even close to "indestructible".
2. he's most certainly not "unstoppable".
3. he definitely wasn't too much for Savage Hulk.
4. he absolutely positively does not possess nor have any hope of possessing "infinite strength".some minor corrections to your errant comments.
War Hulk was just Hulk with more strength.
in fact Apocalypse says that the CELESTIAL TECH indicates HULK'S powers may be great enough to be of consequence to The Celestials.That's Apocalypse's reason for choosing to try and harness the power of The Hulk in the first place.
now if I were a fanboy, with tendencies similar to yours for juggernaut, I would obviously take that to mean that Hulk's potential exceeds Cyttorak's limits.
that however was not ever my contention, nor do I think anyone approaching Cyttorak's levels is necessary to destroy juggernaut.
he is but a fraction of Cyttorak's powers, and a being with 'genuine' access to infinite energies, a being whom the god damned Beyonder called a source of infinite power - The Hulk - would eclipse that in the normal course of events.Hulk, sufficiently focused and determined >>> juggernaut. that's all. pretty reasonable really. everyone from Stan Lee on down has said the Hulk has infinite power to call upon, and has no limit to how strong he can get.
Originally posted by janus77
PG,
1. he's not omnipotent ergo not indestructible.
2. he's been stopped by cement, by GodForce, by War Hulk ... get the picture?
3. see WW Hulk? he's just a progression of Hulk, nothing about him that Savage Hulk couldn't have reached, strength/power/endurance wise.
1. He is indestructible to physical attacks, Omnipotents are far beyond that.
2. The cement didn't really stop him, and the Godforce and War Hulk both used energy, (GF's beam, Celestial energy) to negate his forward movement. In which case Juggernaut has proven that his indestructibility is far greater than his ability to be unstoppable.
3. I don't disagree with you.
Originally posted by janus77
1. juggernaut is not even close to "indestructible".
2. he's most certainly not "unstoppable".
3. he definitely wasn't too much for Savage Hulk.
4. he absolutely positively does not possess nor have any hope of possessing "infinite strength".some minor corrections to your errant comments.
War Hulk was just Hulk with more strength.
in fact Apocalypse says that the CELESTIAL TECH indicates HULK'S powers may be great enough to be of consequence to The Celestials.That's Apocalypse's reason for choosing to try and harness the power of The Hulk in the first place.
now if I were a fanboy, with tendencies similar to yours for juggernaut, I would obviously take that to mean that Hulk's potential exceeds Cyttorak's limits.
that however was not ever my contention, nor do I think anyone approaching Cyttorak's levels is necessary to destroy juggernaut.
he is but a fraction of Cyttorak's powers, and a being with 'genuine' access to infinite energies, a being whom the god damned Beyonder called a source of infinite power - The Hulk - would eclipse that in the normal course of events.Hulk, sufficiently focused and determined >>> juggernaut. that's all. pretty reasonable really. everyone from Stan Lee on down has said the Hulk has infinite power to call upon, and has no limit to how strong he can get.
Well to bad you know nothing of juggernaut.
Juggernaut is truly invulnerable and then has a forcefield to increase that.
He is most definetely unstoppable and it took celestial tech to even challenge that. To bad hulk couldnt have done that under his own power and war hulk still got pushed miles before stopping him.
To bad a none armored juggernaut knocked the savage hulk out with 3 well placed punches.
What you seem not to understand is that yes juggernaut is a fraction of cy powers but do you think that cy is only strength and durability. Cy is a magical being and thats the power that juggernaut dont possess. He gave juggernaut the full scope of his strength and durability but the other power that cy has wasnt given to the juggernaut. Strength and durability is what cain was blessed with from cy the rest are cy to keep. Learn more about juggernaut and maybe read up on cytorrak so that you can know that he is more than strength and durability.
There is nothing that hulk can do to juggernaut. There is nothing that thor can do to juggernaut. If you dont possess magic or if your not a telepath, your chances of beating juggernaut will never happen. Juggernaut is hulks superior by far. I know you hulk fans hate it but it is true.
Originally posted by janus77
1. juggernaut is not even close to "indestructible".
2. he's most certainly not "unstoppable".
3. he definitely wasn't too much for Savage Hulk.
4. he absolutely positively does not possess nor have any hope of possessing "infinite strength".some minor corrections to your errant comments.
War Hulk was just Hulk with more strength.
in fact Apocalypse says that the CELESTIAL TECH indicates HULK'S powers may be great enough to be of consequence to The Celestials.That's Apocalypse's reason for choosing to try and harness the power of The Hulk in the first place.
now if I were a fanboy, with tendencies similar to yours for juggernaut, I would obviously take that to mean that Hulk's potential exceeds Cyttorak's limits.
that however was not ever my contention, nor do I think anyone approaching Cyttorak's levels is necessary to destroy juggernaut.
he is but a fraction of Cyttorak's powers, and a being with 'genuine' access to infinite energies, a being whom the god damned Beyonder called a source of infinite power - The Hulk - would eclipse that in the normal course of events.Hulk, sufficiently focused and determined >>> juggernaut. that's all. pretty reasonable really. everyone from Stan Lee on down has said the Hulk has infinite power to call upon, and has no limit to how strong he can get.
I didnt actually say any of the first 4 statements, but u and me have been through this b4, and when i was done, you wouldnt send a pm back with any counter effort...
Juggy is indestructable vs PHYSICAL attacks... magic+psionics can still hurt him although he heals really fast...
He does have limitless power: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/Juggy_vote1.jpg
which may be different from infinite strength but ill let you decide...
Too much for savage hulk? arguable... ill leave it at that although thus far, in terms of actual KO's, i think juggy is 1-0 as of I.H. 402
The only things that can physically beat him must surpass the energys of Cyttorak, and i believe celestrials surpass him and since it was there Tech powering hulk and amping his strength, id say War Hulks got a better force powering him at that point
Now you say Juggy has a fraction of Cyttoraks energy... but Cyttoraks energy is infinity, which we both agree on... Now tell me, you can do math, wuts infinity divided by any number besides zero... yeah... thats right... its still infinity hence Juggys infinite strength...
Now how can something beat infinity? Well cement, he didnt have anything to force off of nor could he "Break" the liquid cement, therefore having to wait for it to solidify... we already addressed War Hulk, Godblast stopped him alright, but i wouldnt say Odin force is exactly a PHYSICAL force as much as a mystical... Onslaught... well crappy writing happens what can you do?
Now you say Im a juggernaut fan... well I do find my self defending him more often than not because he doesnt get alotta respect... kinda like Mr. Master with Thanos and HOTU just not to the same degree as him (whom i thoroly respect). Im just frequently at awe when i find people who cant understand you cant beat the Juggy with physical strength not counting BFR.... This is all classic juggy btw and (thanks to marvel) now current Juggy
again i like hulk as a character and like his concept better than juggernaut cause face it... its boring when your indestructable and infinitely strong... but its hulk fans that drive me against him with their logic of: HUc 1z Teh ZTroNGest THER IZ!!!!!1111111 LAWLZ
