Infinity Being vs. Michael the Arc-Angel

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nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well technically, the Presence showed a limit to it's omniscience during the COIE when the Spectre and AM saw sights that even his(the Spectre's) creator had never dreamt of, so I don't know if it's really comparable with the Christian concept of God, who knows and sees EVERYTHING.

Was that hyperbole? Since the spectre had never been in his creator's mind? how can they see something that the presence has never dreamt of when he is called the creator of all by all of them?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Was that hyperbole? Since the spectre had never been in his creator's mind? how can they see something that the presence has never dreamt of when he is called the creator of all by all of them?

It was the narrator, he can say whatever he wants because he's the one telling us what's going on. I'm not saying that it was an INTELLIGENT move on his part, but the fact is that there was a limit placed on God by the only person who really could(the narrator) and that seperates him from the Christian concept of God.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by darthgoober
It was the narrator, he can say whatever he wants because he's the one telling us what's going on. I'm not saying that it was an INTELLIGENT move on his part, but the fact is that there was a limit placed on God by the only person who really could(the narrator) and that seperates him from the Christian concept of God.

Im betting someone better suited can answer this. But Im almost positve the spectre and even others have given God unlimited status. The spectre merged saw everything all at once, and he was still under God.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Im betting someone better suited can answer this. But Im almost positve the spectre and even others have given God unlimited status. The spectre merged saw everything all at once, and he was still under God.

But apparently there are still limits...

kevdude The Hooded Man

This could be refering to The Voice, at the time The Voice was mainly what DC used as refering to (seeing things not even his master saw).

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by darthgoober
But apparently there are still limits...

Let's look at this way, Who's energy is this that fills the spectre? nuff said.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by kevdude
This could be refering to The Voice, at the time The Voice was mainly what DC used as refering to (seeing things not even his master saw).

The voice was spectre's boss back then wasnt' he? Right on.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by kevdude
This could be refering to The Voice, at the time The Voice was mainly what DC used as refering to (seeing things not even his master saw).

That's very possible. I had heard that there was some kind of recton involving the Spectre, but I didn't know the details. Anyway I'll find out which is was and get back to you.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The voice was spectre's boss back then wasnt' he? Right on.

I fail to see what that has to do with anything. I never said anything about the Presence not being omnipotent, I was talking about him being omniscient. But then again if it turns out that they were talking about the Voice then it doesn't matter(I'll find out).

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
I fail to see what that has to do with anything. I never said anything about the Presence not being omnipotent, I was talking about him being omniscient. But then again if it turns out that they were talking about the Voice then it doesn't matter(I'll find out).

Omnicient means all knowing right? never dreamed of, would mean he had created them yet right? In that panel wasn't worlds being created at that instant? who was creating them? ultimately who allowed it to happen? Just saying. you know. 😕

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Omnicient means all knowing right? never dreamed of, would mean he had created them yet right? In that panel wasn't worlds being created at that instant? who was creating them? ultimately who allowed it to happen? Just saying. you know. 😕

If a being is truly omniscient, it doesn't view time in a linear manner. Everything in the past, present, and future is known simultaneously. That means that if he learned anything new(like a new color) then he's not omniscient because he ALWAYS would have known about that color(even before it was created). But again, it may have been talking about the Voice so it may not matter.

Dgw2007 Boy Of Steel

wow no flameing good jod nvr 😄 🙂 😄

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by Dgw2007
wow no flameing good jod nvr 😄 🙂 😄

Flame on. 😆 😆

Dgw2007 Boy Of Steel

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Flame on. 😆 😆
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Captain REX Networking

Okay, in response to the things say earlier in the thread...

Air Legend, quit bashing Nvr.

Nvr, quit bashing Air Legend.

Sandai, commentary unneeded.

Mkay? Good.

Dgw2007 Boy Of Steel

Originally posted by Captain REX
Okay, in response to the things say earlier in the thread...

Air Legend, quit bashing Nvr.

Nvr, quit bashing Air Legend.

Sandai, commentary unneeded.

Mkay? Good.

and.. me

KMC_Drifter Modern Day Drifter

Hell, I wouldn't have been that nice about it...I'd just tell everyone to shut the **** up...lol.

Dgw2007 Boy Of Steel

i am very nice i don't just say shut up a try to make tghing better asnd make people heel better

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Im betting someone better suited can answer this. But Im almost positve the spectre and even others have given God unlimited status. The spectre merged saw everything all at once, and he was still under God.
just like michael may contain gods power but couldnever be as good with it as god. infinity being wins here in stomp.

infinity being always had these powers so it definitely wins.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The IB did not conclusively create the omniverse as mister master schooled me before.

The Omniverse didn't exist back in the secret wars days.

So it had to be created after, to which that would belong to the TOAA.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. The omniverse didn't exist when the IB was first introduced.

as explained to me by MM.

Not exactly accurate,

The Infinity Being created the Omniverse with the Infinite energies it housed.

The Infinity Being also created the Infinity Gems (makes one God below the LT)

The Infinity Gems evidently have the power to collapse "ALL Realities"
......................................................................................

Initially the Marvel Universe was only a Universe but,

the Marvel Universe has never stopped expanding since it's Birth.

And who gave Birth to the Marvel Universe?

The Infinity Being. 🙂

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Anyhow,

when we learned about the IB creating everything,

the Omniverse already existed,

so obviously Thanos, Maphisto and Diana Darkshoppe (from the Ultraverse)
were all refering to the IB creating it.


"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Honestly, the IB had to destroy itself to create everything right?

The IB destroyed itself because it was lonely, (it had no peers)
not because it needed to create anything.

The creation of the Omniverse was secondary,
in order to create a Reality were it wasn't Part of everything,
but instead Apart from everything yet still connected through the Gems.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There is no such thing as Was God. God ALWAYS is God.

Well in Marvel Comics,

the IB WAS God:

"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"

"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it "

Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it GOD ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe IB created the 616 correct?

The same 616 that expanded into the Omniverse.

The Universe the IB created is the Omniverse,
because the Omniverse IS the 616 Universe EXPANDED.

The 616 Universe didn't just start growing mysteriously,
it was ALWASY expanding since it's conception.