Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk stopped Juggernaut for a moment.....Hulk redirected Juggernaut's momentum. Who cares? I thought it was a good showing for both. Hulk showed enough strength to momentarily stop Juggernaut or slow him down enough to appear still. Juggernaut stalemated a Hulk who's torn through almost every team and hero plus the Military. Either way it was a good showing for both. durhuc jugdurnaut
You posted that in both threads! durfist 😛
Originally posted by Estacado
Read the other thread with the true answer not some fakes hit ....idiot.
The answer i posted is true, Gage answered in the same way to other posters that you like it or not.
The second thread started by your friend is an obvious fake.
Anyway: comics talks clear! in the pic we see The Hulk stopping Juggy, if he was not running why could not stop himself when hulk let him go ? 🙁
Sorry Hulk Hater, and don't worry when the hulk will beat Sentry you'll be the first to know 😆 and don't try to get a fake answer by Greg Pak kind "oh, no the hulk who beat the Sentry in wwh#5 was not real, it happened only in your mind, it was a joke".
devilhulk, no offence but can you substantiate any of the boasts you're making?
for instance, can you actually prove that the email confirming (what to my eyes seemed to be the case) that Hulk stopped - momentarily - the Juggernaut, is genuine?
why not email the writer and get a more expansive answer from him?
I do admit that it looks obvious that Hulk STOPPED juggernaut for a moment or two (indeed "redirecting juggernaut's momentum downwards would still require stopping the velocity and power of juggernaut's "unstoppable" charge before redirecting it downwards) before he let go and smacked juggernaut on the back to send him smashing through the building and into the drink. though people will always seek out rationalisations for their preferred answers and this potentially conclusive email could be useful to put an end to one strand of bickering.
I have no problem with saying Hulk slowed Juggernaut down, but outright stopping him? It's an impossibility. 😛 Juggernaut is now back to full power, and stopping him is beyond Hulk's powers. I can admit that Hulk slowed him down and redirected him.
The writer took the only real option IMO. You can't have Hulk lose to juggernaut in the middle of his own book. But at the same time, you can't have him beat the juggernaut if Juggernaut's back to full power.
So what's left? A stalemate. 😉 Or technically a win by BFR for Hulk. Which is fine, it shows him using his brain as opposed to being dumb enough to slug it out with Cain Marko. ✅
lol, you realise there is no absolute 'stop' so slowing down something to such an extent that it is redirected and/or that momentum builds up that it cannot then control, is basically proving that your strength overmatches its.
like a charging 5yr old who you hold at bay by placing your extended hand upon his head... he builds up momentum, because he doesn't have the strength to overcome your power but, once you let go, he can't control the momentum he's built up and he crashes into you.
just read some of Hulks past achievements, and honestly, the character is designed to wreck reputations and characters such as juggernaut.
he defeated the High Evolutionary's armour, with the HE inside it, ripped it to pieces in an hour - according to the HE.
another Elder of the universe, The Gardener had the Soul Gem taken from him by Hulk. he was astounded that the Hulk had power sufficient to match/overmatch him.
Apocalypse says his Celestial Tech reports that the power that The Hulk +generates+ (not some ultimate potential, but the power Hulk could realistically output) might be enough to challenge The Celestials.
the problem with the Hulk - Juggernaut conflict in the recent WWH arc is that Hulk just doesn't have the slightest bit of interest in juggernaut. he's not bothered, juggernaut is an insignificant factor, as is everybody else who is not part of the Illuminati.
also, and quite clearly, The Hulk fought all the X-men while severely holding back, with the safety-on, no kills no permanent damage, just enough to get the job done. so, naturally, the easiest way to beat juggernaut is not for Hulk to gee himself up to break Cyttorak's pet, but to simply bfr him using his superior strength and intellect.
Originally posted by DEVILHULK
The answer i posted is true, Gage answered in the same way to other posters that you like it or not.The second thread started by your friend is an obvious fake.
The one I posted is not a fake. I was given an e-mail and that is what I recieved. I have more proof than you do. You won't take proof as evidence and you want people to accept your claims, even though you post crap all the time? Why do you think most people don't like you?
Plus that other "e-mail" is very fague.
Originally posted by BadabingEverybody else is wrong and I'm right! Just drop it...durfist
Hulk stopped Juggernaut for a moment.....Hulk redirected Juggernaut's momentum. Who cares? I thought it was a good showing for both. Hulk showed enough strength to momentarily stop Juggernaut or slow him down enough to appear still. Juggernaut stalemated a Hulk who's torn through almost every team and hero plus the Military. Either way it was a good showing for both. durhuc jugdurnaut
Originally posted by janus77
lol, you realise there is no absolute 'stop' so slowing down something to such an extent that it is redirected and/or that momentum builds up that it cannot then control, is basically proving that your strength overmatches its.like a charging 5yr old who you hold at bay by placing your extended hand upon his head... he builds up momentum, because he doesn't have the strength to overcome your power but, once you let go, he can't control the momentum he's built up and he crashes into you.
just read some of Hulks past achievements, and honestly, the character is designed to wreck reputations and characters such as juggernaut.
he defeated the High Evolutionary's armour, with the HE inside it, ripped it to pieces in an hour - according to the HE.
another Elder of the universe, The Gardener had the Soul Gem taken from him by Hulk. he was astounded that the Hulk had power sufficient to match/overmatch him.
Apocalypse says his Celestial Tech reports that the power that The Hulk +generates+ (not some ultimate potential, but the power Hulk could realistically output) might be enough to challenge The Celestials.
the problem with the Hulk - Juggernaut conflict in the recent WWH arc is that Hulk just doesn't have the slightest bit of interest in juggernaut. he's not bothered, juggernaut is an insignificant factor, as is everybody else who is not part of the Illuminati.
also, and quite clearly, The Hulk fought all the X-men while severely holding back, with the safety-on, no kills no permanent damage, just enough to get the job done. so, naturally, the easiest way to beat juggernaut is not for Hulk to gee himself up to break Cyttorak's pet, but to simply bfr him using his superior strength and intellect.
You not only think Apocalypse meant that Hulk could fight the celestials, you actually think Hulk can beat Juggernaut at full power? haermm
JUGGERNAUT IS INVULNERABLE! HE CANNOT BE PHYSICALLY HARMED BY ANYTHING IF HE'S AT FULL POWER! JUGGERNAUT CANNOT BE STOPPED ONCE HE IS IN MOTION!
These are facts. They cannot be argued with, and if you attempt to do so, you become the next DevilHulk.
Originally posted by DEVILHULK
The answer i posted is true, Gage answered in the same way to other posters that you like it or not.The second thread started by your friend is an obvious fake.
Anyway: comics talks clear! in the pic we see The Hulk stopping Juggy, if he was not running why could not stop himself when hulk let him go ? 🙁
Sorry Hulk Hater, and don't worry when the hulk will beat Sentry you'll be the first to know 😆 and don't try to get a fake answer by Greg Pak kind "oh, no the hulk who beat the Sentry in wwh#5 was not real, it happened only in your mind, it was a joke".
Originally posted by janus77
lol, you realise there is no absolute 'stop' so slowing down something to such an extent that it is redirected and/or that momentum builds up that it cannot then control, is basically proving that your strength overmatches its.like a charging 5yr old who you hold at bay by placing your extended hand upon his head... he builds up momentum, because he doesn't have the strength to overcome your power but, once you let go, he can't control the momentum he's built up and he crashes into you.
just read some of Hulks past achievements, and honestly, the character is designed to wreck reputations and characters such as juggernaut.
he defeated the High Evolutionary's armour, with the HE inside it, ripped it to pieces in an hour - according to the HE.
another Elder of the universe, The Gardener had the Soul Gem taken from him by Hulk. he was astounded that the Hulk had power sufficient to match/overmatch him.
Apocalypse says his Celestial Tech reports that the power that The Hulk +generates+ (not some ultimate potential, but the power Hulk could realistically output) might be enough to challenge The Celestials.
the problem with the Hulk - Juggernaut conflict in the recent WWH arc is that Hulk just doesn't have the slightest bit of interest in juggernaut. he's not bothered, juggernaut is an insignificant factor, as is everybody else who is not part of the Illuminati.
also, and quite clearly, The Hulk fought all the X-men while severely holding back, with the safety-on, no kills no permanent damage, just enough to get the job done. so, naturally, the easiest way to beat juggernaut is not for Hulk to gee himself up to break Cyttorak's pet, but to simply bfr him using his superior strength and intellect.
Well a redirection isn't really overpowering someone, a martial artist can redirect the force of a blow and use someones own strength against them, the stronger the person the more force used against them.
This doesn't make the other person stronger, I've seen a 110lb Aikido master throw around men twice his size as if they're nothing, hes not overpowering them hes simply using their own size and strength against them.
If for instance someone charges you and you redirect the force of their charge downwards they will fall flat on their face, doesn't me you overpowered them, just means you were using your brain and yes ultimatley you have stopped their momentum but not through overpowering them.
What Gage is doing is showing that Hulk uses his brain and can control his rage and fight better than any other incarnation before him, redirected Cain's force downwards which slowed him almost to a stand still, we then see from the panel with their feet in it that the rubble is behind Hulk's foot but in front of Juggernaut's indicating that Cain's momentum is building and Hulk is slowly being pushed back.
However instead of game over for Hulk this is what Hulk wants to happen, when Prof X distracts him he seizes the moment, side steps him, gives him a slap on the back for good measure and lets momentum do the rest, so he did in fact uses Cain's own power against him to sling shot him almost out of the fight.
To me that takes nothing away from Juggernaut, still shows Hulk as at unheard of strength levels andalso shows just how good he is now with tactics and hand to hand skill and all fans can walk away happy with what to me is a very believable outcome and a good showing for both parties.
That should really be an end to it imo but the war no doubt will Rage on.
Originally posted by DEVILHULK
Just because someone says something and then a couple of his bestest mates agree with him and then they all shout it the loudest while sticking their fingers in their ears doesn't mean it is factual.
Well if you think thats whats happening, then I suggest you stop trying to shout them down and go get proof of your own, like janus suggested.
So far we have seen a copy of only one email which has Gage's email address on it and that was the one PTR posted.
So the onus on proof is on you, not on us, so go get proof, present it without calling anyone an idiot and people will take a look at it.
At the end of the day, yes their are Hulk haters on this board as their are Hulk fans and fanboys, their are also a lot of us who really don't mind either way but need more than some ranting that hes right and everyone else is wrong to convince them.
So email him yourself, get the answer and post it, simple really.
Originally posted by DEVILHULK
Just because someone says something and then a couple of his bestest mates agree with him and then they all shout it the loudest while sticking their fingers in their ears doesn't mean it is factual.
Uh, yeah...
And I'm sure something coming from a guy named DEVILHULK is factual.... 😐
Anyway....
Okay last try. I e-mailed him once more about the situation with the e-mails. It seems it was a misunderstanding of how he wrote to you Devil. I figured you had a liable e-mail, it was just written in a confusing way.
Yeah I did say that to him but it's really a matter of semantics...Hulk stopped Juggernaut by presenting a big, strong target that momentarily redirected his force downward, which endangered the mansion. Who knows what would have happened if they'd kept at it. I never meant to make a definitive statement about who's more powerful or anything like that. I intentionally left it ambiguous in the story. I'm not the final authority on these things anyway...the honest answer is whoever the writer of a given story wants to portray as stronger is going to be stronger. Sorry if I inflamed any controversy. I just tried to write a good story. It's not up to me, so I'm gonna take the cowards way out and say -- and this is my definitive statement -- "I don't know!"Take care,
CNG
I am done with going back and forth. This guy was courteous enough to reply to both of my e-mails and I am not going to bother him again. Mr. Gage used the words "presenting" and "semantics", not actually halting his charge, but redirecting it. Basically stopping what Cain initially tried to do, which was push him out of the compound. Please take the time and read it all, and undestand what he is saying here. But if you still think it is fake or you misread/misunderstand this statement, so be it. But it doesn't hurt to accept that you are wrong.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You not only think Apocalypse meant that Hulk could fight the celestials, you actually think Hulk can beat Juggernaut at full power? haermmJUGGERNAUT IS INVULNERABLE! HE CANNOT BE PHYSICALLY HARMED BY ANYTHING IF HE'S AT FULL POWER! JUGGERNAUT CANNOT BE STOPPED ONCE HE IS IN MOTION!
These are facts. They cannot be argued with, and if you attempt to do so, you become the next DevilHulk.
You can't seriously believe that though 😬
A greater power than Cytorrak would be able to stop or harm Juggernaut with ease. For everyday purposes Juggernaut can be called unstoppable but he's really nothing of the sort.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You can't seriously believe that though 😬A greater power than Cytorrak would be able to stop or harm Juggernaut with ease. For everyday purposes Juggernaut can be called unstoppable but he's really nothing of the sort.
Juggernaut though is highly unlikely to come up against a foe who is more powerful than Cytorrak in his travels though, so for all intents and purposes he is unstoppable by a PHYSICAL force.
Obivously there are entities and abstracts a lot more powerful than Cytorrak who could not only halt him but blink him out of exsistance but hes hardly likely to be duking it out with one.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosAt the same time Hulk isn't really the strongest there is.
You can't seriously believe that though 😬A greater power than Cytorrak would be able to stop or harm Juggernaut with ease. For everyday purposes Juggernaut can be called unstoppable but he's really nothing of the sort.
I mean let's be serious you have to go seriously high up in the Universal pecking order to go above an Elder God like Cyttorak.
