Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
It would depend how early we caught on.On average, I wouldn't depict Madrox as that smart.
On that note, Reed Richards probably could.
I'm none too learned on MM. Could he, say, use several of his replicas to read several different books, and have all the knowledge acquired come back to him?
Originally posted by Soljer
No, he was actually dead.Dead-dead. And it retconned pretty much EVERY time Wolverine's ever suffered a LOT of damage into him actually dying, and reviving.
WTF!
If that's true then marvel sucks for that.
Well just put him at the bottom of the artic ocean.
Where he would suffocate without reviving, can't move because the pressure is too great, and freeze.
Or just freeze him and send him to outer space before he unthaws.
Originally posted by h1a8
WTF!If that's true then marvel sucks for that.
Well just put him at the bottom of the artic ocean.
Where he would suffocate without reviving, can't move because the pressure is too great, and freeze.Or just freeze him and send him to outer space before he unthaws.
He'd still revive. He may die all over again, but he'd revive nonetheless.
And, what with continental drift, the changing earth, possibilities of meteorites, evaporating oceans, et cetera, eventually, he'd be more than able to actually get out of it.
As far as the outer space thing goes, hence why I mentioned incarceration or battlefield removal. Only real options against Wolverine and Mr. Immortal.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If they could see her. Storms power is rediculous. Especially in the real world. she could mask herself from all sensors as well as from the naked eye.
How can she mask herself from sensors?
Plus somethings bound to hit her in a barrage of gunfire. Plus she can't stay in the fog forever. She must eat and sleep. I don't think she has a chance.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If they could see her. Storms power is rediculous. Especially in the real world. she could mask herself from all sensors as well as from the naked eye.
True.
But then consider that in the late sixties there was scientific debate on the use of thermonuclear weapons for stopping hurricanes. The idea never went far past genesis due to several reasons, including (but not limited to) questions on released radioactivity to even whether or not a nuke could even stop a hurricane (the energy released per minute in a typical hurricane is many times beyond that of MANY nuclear weapons).
Anyways, in regards to Storm, they may not be able to identify her exact location if she shields herself (say) in the center of a cyclone. However they would know her general location, and if she has done sufficient damage to the world and is threatening to do more (e.g. say she has taken out all the coastal cities in Asia with monsoons, and destroyed coastal Australia with several typhoons, plus wreaked havoc in the central United States with a flurry of tornados)....then you can be certain that the world would take any measures to take her out.
They would simply nuke her! Identify whatever locus she is in (e.g. in the middle of a hurricane in the Carribean), and just launch several SLBMs at the area.
No more Storm.
And the more damage she wreaked on earth the more likely it would be that they would nuke her.
Honestly the weakest character might be in the order of Black Panther/Bat Man .....that is if they manage to bring their wealth (but not their tech) to this world. I could see someone like T'Challa starting a hedge fund and using unabated leveraging techniques to take positions in several key regions, markets, securities and currencies ....and then using that to break financial systems like what happened to England when the bank was 'broken' by Soros and also how several Asian nations were hit in the late 90s.
Also note the financial impact that the hedge fund Long-Term Capital management (LTCM ....mgiht make good reading for those of you who want financial careers) had on the world markets and the extreme measures that had to be taken, not to mention the S&L crisis, as well as the current credit crisis.
If T'Challa used his intellect and resources he could potentially take over the financial world, and through that have enough influence over the world as to (tacitly) take it over. Not directly, but it would be more or less in the same way that JP Morgan (the man, not the company) had basically taken over the US financial system in the very early 20th century. For a moment he was virtually the central banker of the US.
In terms of 'powers' characters (characters with superpowers) then it would probably be someone like Superboy.
Now, that may seem a tad bit too powerful, but the reason is that to effectively take over the world you'd need:
- invulnerability to nearly anything that the world could throw at you
- speed to be able to be at multiple loci very very quickly (which eliminates people like Wolverine whose speed would be the same as that of an ordinary human, even with planes and cars thrown in)
- the ability to locate hidden/hard-to-find places/things/people ....e.g. submarines under the sea, fortified bunkers, etc ....which Superboy would be able to do with his senses
- the skill-sets to take out such targets, which he has per his powers
With super-senses Superboy is able to replicate some of the more mundane aspects of telepathy, he would be invulnerable to basically anything that the world could come up with (no kryptonite, magic here), and his speed would be able to take him out of areas if things get too much (e.g. say all the nuclear powers turned Siberia into a nuclear dump-pile and lured him there .....although with his senses he would know about such movements long before the first tractor had even headed there).
SB could do it through force. Otherwise it is hard for others to do the same .....they would either not be invulnerable, or if they are (as Wolverine apparently is ....seems Marvel conceded to the fanboys) they can be restrained (SB would be too strong to be restrained by our Earth's technology), or they would be too slow (too slow to stop multiple insurgencies at the same time, enabling clever enemies to simply stay a couple of steps ahead of them).
Also add the psychological factor of a super-strong flying super-fast being that can emit flames from his eyes and cannot be destroyed! He would seem like a deity ....a veritable god come to Earth.
You would get all sorts of fanatics joining his army believing he is some sort of messiah! Already all of the world's major religions believe in the coming of a messianic figure ....Christians with the obvious, Muslims with the 12th Imam, Hindus with the final avatar of Vishnu, etc etc etc.
And there would be all sorts of people willing to ally with such a dude .....after all, if Hitler got so many adherents and he was just a short man with syphillis .........
Superboy could do it ....people like Wolverine wouldn't be able to. For one he would be too slow to take over the world. He couldn't even take over a country. Not even a state.
Now, Logan could establish control over a town by being some sort of clawed/healing-factor superthug. No more.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I think strom has a good shot at taking it.Matter of fact, Im pretty sure she could do it.
There is 0 chance for storm to even take over a country.
She is as vulnerable as a human (with exception to lightning, cold, and other storm elements). But one bullet ends her. Not to mention a H-bomb and the fact she needs to eat and sleep and gets tired eventually.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Honestly the weakest character might be in the order of Black Panther/Bat Man .....that is if they manage to bring their wealth (but not their tech) to this world. I could see someone like T'Challa starting a hedge fund and using unabated leveraging techniques to take positions in several key regions, markets, securities and currencies ....and then using that to break financial systems like what happened to England when the bank was 'broken' by Soros and also how several Asian nations were hit in the late 90s.Also note the financial impact that the hedge fund Long-Term Capital management (LTCM ....mgiht make good reading for those of you who want financial careers) had on the world markets and the extreme measures that had to be taken, not to mention the S&L crisis, as well as the current credit crisis.
If T'Challa used his intellect and resources he could potentially take over the financial world, and through that have enough influence over the world as to (tacitly) take it over. Not directly, but it would be more or less in the same way that JP Morgan (the man, not the company) had basically taken over the US financial system in the very early 20th century. For a moment he was virtually the central banker of the US.
In terms of 'powers' characters (characters with superpowers) then it would probably be someone like Superboy.
Now, that may seem a tad bit too powerful, but the reason is that to effectively take over the world you'd need:
- invulnerability to nearly anything that the world could throw at you
- speed to be able to be at multiple loci very very quickly (which eliminates people like Wolverine whose speed would be the same as that of an ordinary human, even with planes and cars thrown in)
- the ability to locate hidden/hard-to-find places/things/people ....e.g. submarines under the sea, fortified bunkers, etc ....which Superboy would be able to do with his senses
- the skill-sets to take out such targets, which he has per his powersWith super-senses Superboy is able to replicate some of the more mundane aspects of telepathy, he would be invulnerable to basically anything that the world could come up with (no kryptonite, magic here), and his speed would be able to take him out of areas if things get too much (e.g. say all the nuclear powers turned Siberia into a nuclear dump-pile and lured him there .....although with his senses he would know about such movements long before the first tractor had even headed there).
SB could do it through force. Otherwise it is hard for others to do the same .....they would either not be invulnerable, or if they are (as Wolverine apparently is ....seems Marvel conceded to the fanboys) they can be restrained (SB would be too strong to be restrained by our Earth's technology), or they would be too slow (too slow to stop multiple insurgencies at the same time, enabling clever enemies to simply stay a couple of steps ahead of them).
Also add the psychological factor of a super-strong flying super-fast being that can emit flames from his eyes and cannot be destroyed! He would seem like a deity ....a veritable god come to Earth.
You would get all sorts of fanatics joining his army believing he is some sort of messiah! Already all of the world's major religions believe in the coming of a messianic figure ....Christians with the obvious, Muslims with the 12th Imam, Hindus with the final avatar of Vishnu, etc etc etc.
And there would be all sorts of people willing to ally with such a dude .....after all, if Hitler got so many adherents and he was just a short man with syphillis .........
Superboy could do it ....people like Wolverine wouldn't be able to. For one he would be too slow to take over the world. He couldn't even take over a country. Not even a state.
Now, Logan could establish control over a town by being some sort of clawed/healing-factor superthug. No more.
Puts a lot into perspective...I always love spetznaz write-ups.
With that said, since Superboy isn't a Marvel character, I think Thor would be able to conquer Earth for all the same reasons. I'd care to wager he would have an even more drastic amount of fanatical followers, seeing as his entire persona is deity based. Not only would he be able to conquer entire countries by himself, but he would also be able to amass an army in his name.
His natural durability mixed with the abilities of Mjolnir would make him immune to all of our Earth's modern weaponry.
Like I said before, I believe Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom have the intelligence to hatch a plan effective enough to "take over the world." They could prep for years if they'd like, since after all, there isn't a time cap on world domination.
Storm's hardly the weakest. Actually it's been established over and over again that she's amongst the most powerful beings on Earth.
And yes, she can easily destroy this world.
Chirs Claremont has stated as much regarding her relationship with Jean as well as other X-men:
She's very much a product of the land of her youth, also the land of her ancestry -- which is elemental and primal and above all fierce. What creates a bond with Sage is that both their characters were forged in the absolute necessity to survive, pretty much on their own. No home, no family, nothing to rely on but their own wits and strength and skills. What creates a bond between Storm and (my conception of) Jean -- and a potential abyss between her and Charles Xavier as he's currently being portrayed -- is the fact that both these women came to face, in the most brutal and unforgiving terms, the consequences of power without restraint, without responsibility. Unchecked, they can cause untold harm, even if they start with the best of intentions. (Kind of like being the sole super-power in the world. At least, when there were two with the capability and will to annihilate all life on earth, they tended to keep one another honest and in balance. Winning global peace is apparently much easier than sustaining it.) Be interesting to see how things develop in the X-community from here on.Cordially,
Chris Claremont
