Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's so interesting. So in DC, God is not a truly all-good being. He/It is the force of both light and dark. The union of infinite opposites. The Yin Yang, like another poster said.That's really cool.
Read the scan carefully, this is Lucifer talking to Yahweh (the result of GEB and God merging)
Originally posted by Astner
But Marvel: the End was a bit iffy, But we know that Thanos did not absorb all realities, because he did say that Adam survived because he was in another reality (universe)
Thanos never said Warlock was in another Relity or Universe.
Warlock and Gamora were both in Atleza's realm
which isn't even close to being a Universe, not even close.
Warlock, Gamora, and Atleza survived
because Atleza's pocket domain is Beyond/Outisde of Time & Space.
This is why Death also survived,
and anything else that was located Outside of Time & Space.
Why?
Because Thanos absorbed All the Time & Space in the Omniverse only.
And Thanos DID absorb it ALL,
because it's literally impossible to erase 616,
without erasing the Omniverse.
Oh, and Marvel.com confirms Thanos erased the Marvel Universe.
(Marvel Universe = the Omniverse)
Oh, and the LT's Bio and Eternity's bio both state that,
that Thanos erased "All of Reality" ... "All that Existed"
Originally posted by Astner
But he did absorb all that he could.
All of Time & Space in Marvel.
What was shown on panel was the Marvel Universe:
The Marvel Universe is the Omniverse.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
Towards the bottom under (The Ends of The Universe)
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On Panel:
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign .. Until .."
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I always knew this meant what it obviously meant.
Thanos started out by absorbing the 616 Reality (Eternity & Infinity)
and then to make sure that no one could ever try to touch him,
he absorbed all the Time & Space in the Omniverse.
Or as the Official Marvel bios state:
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)
"Thanos claimed THOTI ... Eternity opposed ... Thanos destroyed All of Reality"
What is "All of Reality?"
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)
"The Omniverse, Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass All Reality"
The Omniverse according to Marvel the company that creates and publishes Marvel comics.
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Or ALL of Existence = ALL of Marvel!
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 LT - Bio)
"Thanos gained THOTI ... LT joined champions across Reality ..
Thanos destroyed All that existed"
Originally posted by Astner
So, from what I've understood, Thanos did absorb the main universe (616)
and alternate timelines, dimensions but nothing more.
Again, it's impossible to erase 616, and leave the Omniverse behind.
The 616 Universe is the foundation of the Omniverse.
"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.
And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "
..................................................................................
Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:
Dr Strange says,
"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"
Uatu explains more simply,
"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.
Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.
Everything there is, will End.
Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"
Originally posted by Astner
So he had the supreme beings power in one universe, but then again, Starlin couldn't write outside that universe.
Thanos became the Supreme Being of Marvel, the Almighty, God.
Eternity says,
"I demand you relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"
Thanos replies,
"more like GIVEN to me"
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"Your Lord & Master (TOAA/God) has abandoned you Eternity"
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"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,
did you ever dare demand anything from Him"
Eternity RESPONDS,
No, but .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)
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"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...
My Will is Supreme
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If he was "outside of time and space", then how could he move, have a body, or think?
You still with that? 😂
"Beyond the Realms of Space and Time"
"Outside the influence of Eternity and Infinity"
Your question will be ignored because it was addresed by several members.
In yet another thread.
It's a Comic Book dude.
You disagree or find it offensive,
call or email the Marvel Comics Company about it.
But stop posting that question again and again
unless you have Proof that in Marvel and DC for that matter,
you can't exist Outside of Space & Time.
Originally posted by Endless MikeIt's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.
It's logically inconsistent. Warlock obviously had no idea what he was talking about. Your method of taking character dialogue over all else, even logic and on - panel events, is simply idiotic.
It's "logically inconsistent" for a shot of gamma radiation to turn a normal human being into a huge green dude that gets really really strong as he gets angrier, but no one questions that.
As a matter of fact,
Trying to find logic in every event you come across in comics, is "logically inconsistent". 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
It's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.It's "logically inconsistent" for a shot of gamma radiation to turn a normal human being into a huge green dude that gets really really strong as he gets angrier, but no one questions that.
As a matter of fact,
Trying to find logic in every event you come across in comics, is "logically inconsistent". 😬
👆 noneyes
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When did the Marvel Universe start equalling the Omniverse Automatically?
It always has been.
The Big Bang created one Infinite Universe (the Omniverse)
it's only an Omniverse to differentiate the groups
that exist independently from each other,
these are infinite Clusters of Universes that make up a Multiverse.
But a Multiverse is just a chunk of real estate
on the same land as other Multiverses,
the Land being this super Universe called "the Omniverse."
This all basically comes back to the same point,
the 616 Universe was the central point,
the origin of the explosion that created everything. (an expanding Omniverse)
So essentially everything flows outward from the 616 Reality.
This is why the Alien Entity was able to fold the Marvel Universe from 616,
because 616 supports the entire Omniverse.
The Alien Entity simply folded 616's History to before it's creation point,
and that erased the Omniverse.
Because before 616, there was nothing.
616 is what makes the rest of the Omniverse even relevant.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It always has been.The Big Bang created one Infinite Universe (the Omniverse)
it's only an Omniverse to differentiate the groups
that exist independently from each other,
these are infinite Clusters of Universes that make up a Multiverse.But a Multiverse is just a chunk of real estate
on the same land as other Multiverses,
the Land being this super Universe called "the Omniverse."This all basically comes back to the same point,
the 616 Universe was the central point,
the origin of the explosion that created everything. (an expanding Omniverse)
So essentially everything flows outward from the 616 Reality.This is why the Alien Entity was able to fold the Marvel Universe from 616,
because 616 supports the entire Omniverse.The Alien Entity simply folded 616's History to before it's creation point,
and that erased the Omniverse.
Because before 616, there was nothing.616 is what makes the rest of the Omniverse even relevant.
So Basically , feats of omniversal ower dont' matter much becuz anyone with universal power can collapse the marvel multiverse, even omniverse by sheer fact of callapsing The 616. And how does one collapse the 616 when MJJ lives there?
Originally posted by Mr Master
It always has been.The Big Bang created one Infinite Universe (the Omniverse)
it's only an Omniverse to differentiate the groups
that exist independently from each other,
these are infinite Clusters of Universes that make up a Multiverse.But a Multiverse is just a chunk of real estate
on the same land as other Multiverses,
the Land being this super Universe called "the Omniverse."This all basically comes back to the same point,
the 616 Universe was the central point,
the origin of the explosion that created everything. (an expanding Omniverse)
So essentially everything flows outward from the 616 Reality.This is why the Alien Entity was able to fold the Marvel Universe from 616,
because 616 supports the entire Omniverse.The Alien Entity simply folded 616's History to before it's creation point,
and that erased the Omniverse.
Because before 616, there was nothing.616 is what makes the rest of the Omniverse even relevant.
So If 616 is destroyed, than so will be the rest of the omniverse ?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So Basically , feats of omniversal ower dont' matter much becuz anyone with universal power can collapse the marvel multiverse, even omniverse by sheer fact of callapsing The 616.
Ahh, but there liies the key,
how many cats have been able to accomplish that, collapsing 616?
4 ... that's it. 🙂
Sis-Neg in affect became "God,"
and released that power to create Marvel anew in 72'
Genis & Entropy recycled the Prime Multiverse,
616 being part of the Prime Multiverse in effect collapsed all of Marvel.
Then Entropy re-created all of Marvel
by exploding and therefore becoming the New Eternity (Multiverse) in 02'
Then Thanos came and did it in The End: Marvel in 03'
He began by absorbing 616 and continued to absorb until Nothing remained.
Thanos never even stepped out of 616, he stood there on ground zero,
and swallowed the all of Marvel's Time & Space from it.
And finally the Alien Entity in 06'
The Alien folded 616's History,
this in effect folded the rest of Marvel which derives from 616.
The Alien and Reed reached the point before the original Big Bang.
And from there, with the "Spark of Creation" that was created from within him,
the Alien was able to create Marvel anew, but he needed Reed's mind as a guide.
The Alien Entity also merged with the energies of creation, Past, Present and Future.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And how does one collapse the 616 when MJJ lives there? [/B]
?
MJJ reappeared in late 05' during HOM, and hasn't been heard of since.
He'll pop up sooner or later, but he's incognito taking it easy right now.
On the other hand,
only the Alien Entity has done it since Mjj's return,
and I rank the Alien Entity above MJJ.
The Alien Entity's feat was ridiculous.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
So If 616 is destroyed, than so will be the rest of the omniverse ?
Yea.
Originally posted by Mr Master"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "..................................................................................
Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:Dr Strange says,
"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"
Uatu explains more simply,
"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.
Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.
Everything there is, will End.
Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"
Originally posted by Astner
Wrong, that's Vertigo's God--and he is not even supreme, even after he merged he said that there were powers beyond his own.Read the scan carefully, this is Lucifer talking to Yahweh (the result of GEB and God merging)
They never literally merged and made Yahweh, YHWH was/is The Presence and they both gave a piece of each other to the other. Afterwords The Beast left Heaven and returned to Hell, it is now known as the Shadowlands. And the forces external to him would have to be the void (not the writers) or the Source.
Originally posted by Galan007nice ownage.
It's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.It's "logically inconsistent" for a shot of gamma radiation to turn a normal human being into a huge green dude that gets really really strong as he gets angrier, but no one questions that.
As a matter of fact,
Trying to find logic in every event you come across in comics, is "logically inconsistent". 😬
Originally posted by kevdudeso the there is no supreme being. wow. wonder what nver thinks of this proof.
They never literally merged and made Yahweh, YHWH was/is The Presence and they both gave a piece of each other to the other. Afterwords The Beast left Heaven and returned to Hell, it is now known as the Shadowlands. And the forces external to him would have to be the void (not the writers) or the Source.
