Classic Juggernaut vs 8th Day Juggernaut...tug of war.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again,

You act as though 'powering himself up' is something Juggy does on a regular basis.

The fact is..... He doesn't. (That was the ONLY time he's done so.)

To say Juggs could 'power up' outside the specific parameters of that ONE arc, is a sketchy argument to say the least.

Well considering he was grappling with a being, Nightmare, that was destroying Dr. Strange I think you are wrong. Plus the fact he recently powered himself up to fight World War Hulk who is stronger than he normally is. So he has done it before and since.

Still I have to flat out say you are wrong with your logic. You are trying to say since he did it in the 8th day arc it was obviously a different amped up version of than Classic.

But where is the evidence to suggest such an absurd claim. The fact is that was CLASSIC Juggernaut being focused. Just because he did it in a certain arc doesn't change the fact he did it.

You can not separate them because they were not different characters or versions. You only wish to think that because Cain doesn't normally go around doing that.

Thor doesn't go around using all his powers and is usually a brawler but by your logic everytime he goes Warrior Madness it is a different Thor despite the fact it is just normal Thor reaching those levels of power.

Classic Juggernaut can reach 8th day level because it was Classic reaching those levels.

Unless we are going have to start saying that an Normal Savage Hulk can not use the feats or reach the same level that an Angry Savage Hulk can reach. You are trying to argue them different on mind frames. You can not do that because Classic Juggernaut can just as easily be in the frame of mind as 8th Day was.

Your whole argument has no foundation. Seeing as they are the same person.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well considering he was grappling with a being, Nightmare, that was destroying Dr. Strange I think you are wrong. Plus the fact he recently powered himself up to fight World War Hulk who is stronger than he normally is. So he has done it before and since.

Still I have to flat out say you are wrong with your logic. You are trying to say since he did it in the 8th day arc it was obviously a different amped up version of than Classic.

But where is the evidence to suggest such an absurd claim. The fact is that was CLASSIC Juggernaut being focused. Just because he did it in a certain arc doesn't change the fact he did it.

You can not separate them because they were not different characters or versions. You only wish to think that because Cain doesn't normally go around doing that.

Thor doesn't go around using all his powers and is usually a brawler but by your logic everytime he goes Warrior Madness it is a different Thor despite the fact it is just normal Thor reaching those levels of power.

Classic Juggernaut can reach 8th day level because it was Classic reaching those levels.

Unless we are going have to start saying that an Normal Savage Hulk can not use the feats or reach the same level that an Angry Savage Hulk can reach. You are trying to argue them different on mind frames. You can not do that because Classic Juggernaut can just as easily be in the frame of mind as 8th Day was.

Your whole argument has no foundation. Seeing as they are the same person.

It's funny you say MY argument has no foundation, yet YOU are the one who is basically saying Juggs can reach 8th Day levels whenever he wants, despite never coming close to them since then. (And having been beaten since then as well).

Fact is,

Juggy simply does NOT reach that mind set outside SPECIFIC parameters.

Fact is,

It's NOT something he does on a whim.

But it's all good, I know he's one of your favs, so I would argue this any more. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
It's funny you say MY argument has no foundation, yet YOU are the one who is basically saying Juggs can reach 8th Day levels whenever he wants, despite never coming close to them since then. (And having been beaten since then as well).

Fact is,

Juggy simply does NOT reach that mind set outside SPECIFIC parameters.

Fact is,

It's NOT something he does on a whim.

But it's all good, I know he's one of your favs, so I would argue this any more. 🙂

What reason is their to suggest he could not reach those levels seeing as he did. He doesn't do it everytime but then again that is CIS because his isn't a focused kind og uy.

Fact is

Juggy did reach a certain level of focus and he did get that strong

Fact is

Just because he doesn't normally do it because of CIS doesn't mean he can not reach that level of focus as Classic Juggernaut.

Fact is

Juggy is hardly serious in a fight fact is when Cain does get serious in a match he does become harder to beat and does showcase more power than when he is playing around.

He has demonstrated this a number of times throughout his history

Just because he doesn't typically reach 8th Day levels doesn't mean he can not.

Unless like Isaid you are saying Thor can not reach Warrior Madness Levels because like Juggy it is only a frame of mind.

Originally posted by Newjak
What reason is their to suggest he could not reach those levels seeing as he did. He doesn't do it everytime but then again that is CIS because his isn't a focused kind og uy.

Fact is

Juggy did reach a certain level of focus and he did get that strong

Fact is

Just because he doesn't normally do it because of CIS doesn't mean he can not reach that level of focus as Classic Juggernaut.

Fact is

Juggy is hardly serious in a fight fact is when Cain does get serious in a match he does become harder to beat and does showcase more power than when he is playing around.

He has demonstrated this a number of times throughout his history

Just because he doesn't typically reach 8th Day levels doesn't mean he can not.

Unless like Isaid you are saying Thor can not reach Warrior Madness Levels because like Juggy it is only a frame of mind.

If you can show me Juggy reaching 8th Day power outside of the specific parameters in that arc... I will withdraw my argument.

Until then:

Originally posted by Galan007
[A feat not seen, is a feat not accomplished].