This is a good thread, not because its a good match, but that it's starting to make people understand that it was an avatar, and not the real Jack Kirby. A real person cannot exist in comics, only avatars of him.
- So the most powerful being you could possibly make is a being with the powers of the writer.
And then there are smarter writers which knows more ways of potraying power etc.
Children who goes and hope for getting to be as strong as the Hulk assume (obviously) that he is (if he would exist) stronger than the writer.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, they don't. THOTU is TOAA's power, not his authority. And if anyone can be called TOAA, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee are pretty much it. The King takes this. 😎THOTU is not unbeatable, it's just damn close.
Lol you can't be serious. Power and authority are the same.
Authority-the right or power to enforce rules or give orders;
somebody or something with official power;
power to act on behalf of somebody else or official permission to do something; holder of power; power given to someone
A synonym for authority- POWER.
Thanos became everything the Almighty was.
"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ... my Will is Supreme"
Coincidence? I don't think so. Thanos became that Jack Kirby Avatar- the supreme of Marvel within the comic books. Both represented the power of the writers.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Lol you can't be serious. Power and authority are the same.
Authority-the right or [B]power to enforce rules or give orders;
somebody or something with official power;
power to act on behalf of somebody else or official permission to do something; holder of power; power given to someone
A synonym for authority- POWER.
Thanos became everything the Almighty was.
"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ... my Will is Supreme"
Coincidence? I don't think so. Thanos became that Jack Kirby Avatar- the supreme of Marvel within the comic books. Both represented the power of the writers. [/B]
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So......you're trying to say that Thanos w/e the HOTU, is equal to god? hysterical Get off Thanos's grey ballsac. 😆 He's not as powerful as the almighty, he was never as powerful as TOAA, GEB, or The Presence, and I'm getting sick and tired of everyone wanking him.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So......you're trying to say that Thanos w/e the HOTU, is equal to god? hysterical
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Get off Thanos's grey ballsac.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's not as powerful as the almighty,
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
he was never as powerful as TOAA, GEB, or The Presence, and I'm getting sick and tired of everyone wanking him.
Originally posted by Air LegendThen Thanos has 4 others who are just as powerful as he according to some. THus he is not supreme. Kirby, The Collaborator, and Some even think the beyonder was the power of the writers. So Marvel has 4 supreme beings of equal power. Thanos couldn't beat those three could he? Thus he was not supreme. According to the logic of some that suggest the presence isn't supreme becuz he once stalemated the GEB.
Uh, that's what Thanos w/ HOTI was.How would you know that it's grey? Probably from sucking on it already 😆
Right right 🙄 The Living Tribunal is second only to TOAA but he was absorbed and defeated by Thanos w/HOTI. What does that make Thanos w/HOTI? I think anybody with half a brain can answer that.
hysterical2
So I guess it's only ok for you to do that since apparently you know the color of his "ballsac" for reasons I need not know.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then Thanos has 4 others who are just as powerful as he according to some. THus he is not supreme. Kirby, The Collaborator, and Some even think the beyonder was the power of the writers. So Marvel has 4 supreme beings of equal power. Thanos couldn't beat those three could he? Thus he was not supreme. According to the logic of some that suggest the presence isn't supreme becuz he once stalemated the GEB.
I do believe there have been more than one supreme being of Marvel at the times. When Classic Beyonder was created, he was supreme as there was no mention of TOAA. The Infinity Being was Supreme. The Collaborator and the Kirby Avatar are supreme. Thanos w/ HOTI was supreme. I never said Thanos w/ HOTI would beat the Presence I said he would stalemate him and same goes for the GEB. In the comic book world sometimes they use the correct definition of the words and sometimes they don't. They should have never allowed the Presence to be stalemated and that whole GEB thing really was a mess. Here is my opinion on the matter you have proposed:
Classic Beyonder- Supreme because no mention of TOAA plus various mentions of him being supreme plus he had the power of the writers.
Infinity Being- Supreme because it was the only thing that existed and gave the birth to the Marvel Universe. Classic Beyonder was retconned and there was no mention of the Infinity being during the Secret Wars.
Kirby and Collaborator- They are supreme for obvious reasons.
Thanos w/ HOTI- Became the Kirby Avatar and collaborator as I explained earlier in this thread. So at the time, Thanos was the only supreme being in the comic book world.
Now I don't include the writers because they are inconsequential except with their own companies. TOAA writes Marvel stories but you can't make TOAA fight Batman because the writers of Marvel have no authority over DC. Thus, TOAA cannot beat nor lose to Batman.
Classic Beyonder, the Infinity Being, Thanos w/HOTI, and Kirby avatar and Collaborator were all at times the supreme beings of Marvel with only the avatar and collaborator sharing the supreme spots much like the Presence and GEB do.
The real life artists cannot literally put themselves into a comic book so they have to draw an avatar to represent them; to represent their power.
Quanchi was the one who said the Presence wasn't supreme because the Presence doesn't fit the definition of supreme, like the collaborator and Kirby avatar sharing supremacy don't for Marvel. IMO, DC really screwed up when they made the GEB story because I don't like the idea of God stalemating an opposite (the Presence is suppose to be a representation of the Abrahamic God, Marvel has supreme beings representing the power of the artists and writers).
But since comic book writers are idiots at times, people accept that the Presence and the GEB are supreme in DC. In reality, the DC artists and writers are technically the "supremes" of the company since they draw and write everything we read about DC comics. Thus, the external forces (the artists and writers) that created the comic book characters like the Presence and GEB are the "supremes" of DC because they are above the comic world since, like I mentioned before, they draw and write everything we read.
Essentially what my long response boils down to is that Classic Beyonder, Infinity Being, Thanos HOTI, Kirby Avatar and Collaborator, Presence, and the GEB are all supreme COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Now this is a reasonable post, hence why I'm responding to it.I do believe there have been more than one supreme being of Marvel at the times. When Classic Beyonder was created, he was supreme as there was no mention of TOAA. The Infinity Being was Supreme. The Collaborator and the Kirby Avatar are supreme. Thanos w/ HOTI was supreme. I never said Thanos w/ HOTI would beat the Presence I said he would stalemate him and same goes for the GEB. In the comic book world sometimes they use the correct definition of the words and sometimes they don't. They should have never allowed the Presence to be stalemated and that whole GEB thing really was a mess. Here is my opinion on the matter you have proposed:
Classic Beyonder- Supreme because no mention of TOAA plus various mentions of him being supreme plus he had the power of the writers.
Infinity Being- Supreme because it was the only thing that existed and gave the birth to the Marvel Universe. Classic Beyonder was retconned and there was no mention of the Infinity being during the Secret Wars.
Kirby and Collaborator- They are supreme for obvious reasons.
Thanos w/ HOTI- Became the Kirby Avatar and collaborator as I explained earlier in this thread. So at the time, Thanos was the only supreme being in the comic book world.Now I don't include the writers because they are inconsequential except with their own companies. TOAA writes Marvel stories but you can't make TOAA fight Batman because the writers of Marvel have no authority over DC. Thus, TOAA cannot beat nor lose to Batman.
Classic Beyonder, the Infinity Being, Thanos w/HOTI, and Kirby avatar and Collaborator were all at times the supreme beings of Marvel with only the avatar and collaborator sharing the supreme spots much like the Presence and GEB do.
The real life artists cannot literally put themselves into a comic book so they have to draw an avatar to represent them; to represent their power.Quanchi was the one who said the Presence wasn't supreme because the Presence doesn't fit the definition of supreme, like the collaborator and Kirby avatar sharing supremacy don't for Marvel. IMO, DC really screwed up when they made the GEB story because I don't like the idea of God stalemating an opposite (the Presence is suppose to be a representation of the Abrahamic God, Marvel has supreme beings representing the power of the artists and writers).
But since comic book writers are idiots at times, people accept that the Presence and the GEB are supreme in DC. In reality, the DC artists and writers are technically the "supremes" of the company since they draw and write everything we read about DC comics. Thus, the external forces (the artists and writers) that created the comic book characters like the Presence and GEB are the "supremes" of DC because they are above the comic world since, like I mentioned before, they draw and write everything we read.
Essentially what my long response boils down to is that Classic Beyonder, Infinity Being, Thanos HOTI, Kirby Avatar and Collaborator, Presence, and the GEB are all supreme COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS.
That is a complete load of biased horseshit. 👇 Except for the problem that Thanos encountered in that his powers had limits. And that he had been set up to pluck the heart, and that a higher power created the heart.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That is a complete load of biased horseshit. 👇 Except for the problem that Thanos encountered in that his powers had limits. And that he had been set up to pluck the heart, and that a higher power created the heart.
He has his reasons. But I do concur that Thanos wasn't supreme. The beyonder was his own power. He didnt' aquire it and required no one's authority or plan to do anything. Same as the GEB and the Kirby avatar. even Mxy requires no set up, no access to power, no one's planning with in the comic world. So thanos has less authority than any of those guys. He thus is not supreme. power is only one third of the equation. As Lucifer shows. Michael is far in power than lucifer, But lucy has the will. And even then power and will are only a third each. One must also be everywhere at once, and yet sit ABOVE all. The presence on panel has shown to sit above all the DC omniverse. Thus he is Superior to Thanos. Even the beyonder comes from outside. Thanos was only supreme from the inside out.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That is a complete load of biased horseshit. 👇
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Except for the problem that Thanos encountered in that his powers had limits.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And that he had been set up to pluck the heart, and that a higher power created the heart.
