Thanos HOTU vs. The Kirby Avatar

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually he says that during the time he already absorbed the Heart of The Universe , when he was supposdley Omniscient (Which through his own mouth since he says that he was an unsuspecting fool he wasn't)

Actually Thanos was reflecting upon the moment when he acquired the Heart.

How can the responsibility of fixing the Universe be passed on,
After Thanos already had it?

So in you're interpretation,

Thanos had God's power before Thanos reached THOTI? 🤨

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Neither could God ? You've just self-beaten yourself . That means that the God in the Marvel Universe can't repair the Universe thus he is not omnipotent .

I made this for Nvr, now I post it for you:

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Well God/Toaa wrote the story that way.
(I always maintained it's just pictures and words on a piece of paper to them)

I guess we can finally end the debate which asks,

"can God create a rock he can't lift?"

In this fictional world called Marvel, evidently YES!
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God/Toaa created a story called The End: Marvel where Thanos became them.

God/Toaa could've made a story where they get pwnd.

God/Toaa could've made a story about anything,
because it's just a story they make themselves.

You see?

It's like if You Nvr, (human being)
came up with a make believe Universe in your mind
and decided to draw what you imagined on paper.

Then what you're creating on paper becomes Reality somewhere.

Many characters, many Worlds, many stories.

To you it's just a story with artistic illustrations on paper,
but to the drawings on that paper, it's a World,
a Universe an Omniverse that's real.

You decide one day to draw a "representation" of yourself (Kirby avatar)
to actually imagine yourself interacting with your own designs.

But since you are the one writing what they're gonna say,
you're actually interacting with yourself.

Would it really mean that the Real You (human being)
is not in control of Your own designs
because you drew a story where your "Avatar" had limits?

Of course not,
it's just a fantasy story drawn on paper
and ultimately means absolutely nothing in comparison to You,
the Real Human being who actually created it all for entertainment to begin with.

Toaa/God is a character in Marvel that can literally do anything or be anything,
Win, Lose is doesn't matter,
because God/Toaa is always in control of everything and anything that happens.
Because God/Toaa create everything and anything that happens.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING!.

I don't know what else to tell you or show you,

but that's about the last explanation/analogy I can think of.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
He is not Omnipotent (couldn't fix the Universe without destroying and recreating him and neither could the supreme being in Marvel for that matter according to you so Marvel doesn't have an omnipotent being)

Read the analogy.

Or Read something ... Marvel.com (the Official Marvel site) perhaps:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"The Living Tribunal, ruled that the now-omnipotent Thanos must be stopped"
"Thanos decided to destroy the universe and become the one true supreme being"

Marvel.com is wrong ... and you're right. 😂

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
He is not Omniscient (since he didn't have a clue who was coming through that portal besides the fact that he should have forseen this and every event that would be going on since the first time he became God )

Thanos KNOWS exactly WHERE Warlock was,
with WHO and WHAT he was doing there:

"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE THIS REALITY,
tending Atleza, this ACTUALITY'S Cosmic Anchor"

I thought Thanos was clueless about where Warlcok was? hum

Meh, On Panel evidence from "The End: Marvel" is wrong and you're right. LOL!!!

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
He is not Omnipresent

Thanos was One with All the Time & Space in Marvel: (According to On Panel proof)

"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was Everything"

And beyond that,

Thanos was one with Time & Space, (Reality)
this is why Thanos only absorbed Time & Space: (Reality)

So it's no surprise Thanos told Warlock, "Only you and I remain"

because that was the factual truth.

Only they remained within Time & Space.
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You don't like it, write Marvel a letter, send an email, or make a phone call.
But please stop the lies.
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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
so if you don't I'm going to stop discussing this .

If you don't stop lying I'm about to ignore you too.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Or you could have atleast have the decency and admit that what I say is true and everything will be fine .

LOL ... that would make me a big time liar ... and I don't lie.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
On-Panel evidence which is pretty much the only one that matters here disagree with you .

All the evidence from all the official sources say otherwise:

They say:

Thanos was Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent withIn the Omniverse.

Thanos was GOD!

According to a plethora of On Panel evidence.
According to several Official Marvel Handbooks.
According to Marvel.com
According to Marvunapp
According to Jim Starlin's interview at Newsrama

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos was One with All the Time & Space in Marvel: (According to On Panel proof)

[B]"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was Everything"

And beyond that,

Thanos was one with Time & Space, (Reality)
this is why Thanos only absorbed Time & Space: (Reality)

So it's no surprise Thanos told Warlock, "Only you and I remain"

because that was the factual truth.

Only they remained within Time & Space.
..................................................................................

You don't like it, write Marvel a letter, send an email, or make a phone call.
But please stop the lies.
..................................................................................

If you don't stop lying I'm about to ignore you too.

LOL ... that would make me a big time liar ... and I don't lie.

All the evidence from all the official sources say otherwise:

They say:

Thanos was Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent withIn the Omniverse.

Thanos was GOD!

According to a plethora of On Panel evidence.
According to several Official Marvel Handbooks.
According to Marvel.com
According to Marvunapp
According to Jim Starlin's interview at Newsrama [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos was One with All the Time & Space in Marvel: (According to On Panel proof)

[B]"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was Everything"

And beyond that,

Thanos was one with Time & Space, (Reality)
this is why Thanos only absorbed Time & Space: (Reality)

So it's no surprise Thanos told Warlock, "Only you and I remain"

because that was the factual truth.

Only they remained within Time & Space.
..................................................................................

You don't like it, write Marvel a letter, send an email, or make a phone call.
But please stop the lies.
..................................................................................

If you don't stop lying I'm about to ignore you too.

LOL ... that would make me a big time liar ... and I don't lie.

All the evidence from all the official sources say otherwise:

They say:

Thanos was Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent withIn the Omniverse.

Thanos was GOD!

According to a plethora of On Panel evidence.
According to several Official Marvel Handbooks.
According to Marvel.com
According to Marvunapp
According to Jim Starlin's interview at Newsrama [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If he was the toughest God that marvel has to offer within an omniverse, he isn't supreme. He had less Omnicience than the LT has. He was Omnipotent but couldn't fix the flaw without destroying everything? What kind of Omnipotent being can't do something? Thanos was nothing more than a glorified Ultimate Nullifiar Story rehash.

he defeated the lt now ur saying lt was more omniscient. hwy didnt god use him then to fix the flaws.

really ur argument doesnt add up.

ps there are colors out there that surprised the presence.

edit: wrong thread.

Originally posted by Ethereal
edit: wrong thread.

with the heart hes freaking unbeatable.

ps thanos wasnt suprised by undreamt of colors like the presence was.

presence has limits to even his imagination.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ur argument switches and becomes more nonsensical each time.

he defeated the lt now ur saying lt was more omniscient. hwy didnt god use him then to fix the flaws.

really ur argument doesnt add up.

ps there are colors out there that surprised the presence.

PS. The Spectre's boss was the Voice. Not the presence. Oops. Bet you didn't know that.

The LT most certainly was more Omnicient than THanos. Do you know what this means? IT means all knowing. THe LT would have known where Death and Warlock was.
ANd Thanos wasn't Omnipotent. He may have been supreme, but He wasn't omnipotent. He couldn't do something. No Omnipotent being knows the meaning of Can't. They can literally do anything with no effort at all.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
PS. The Spectre's boss was the Voice. Not the presence. Oops. Bet you didn't know that.

The LT most certainly was more Omnicient than THanos. Do you know what this means? IT means all knowing. THe LT would have known where Death and Warlock was.
ANd Thanos wasn't Omnipotent. He may have been supreme, but He wasn't omnipotent. He couldn't do something. No Omnipotent being knows the meaning of Can't. They can literally do anything with no effort at all.

quit moving around and changing ur tune.

presence cant even defeat the geb.

presence isnt even supreme.

Originally posted by quanchi112
the presence was influenced by external forces.
and it was the presence who hadnt dreamt of these colors.

quit moving around and changing ur tune.

presence cant even defeat the geb.

presence isnt even supreme.

LOL you are the one who just moved around my entire pwning of Thanos.

You say the presence isn't supreme becuz he was Shaped by external forces. As in WAS shaped by but currently isn't being as he says that he is INFINIte and ETERNAL. ( Both of which Thanos NEVER was) But THanos admits to be flat out used and tricked by external forces and yet he was supreme? You are a hippocrit

The light at the time was God and the GEB was the dark. The merger then became Yeweh. I've never heard Zuriel or any of the beings in the Main DC comics ever call the supreme being Yeweh. Thus Yeweh could have been shaped by the external force of the greater presence of the Entire DC comics line. Either way, You have failed in your attempt to belittle yeweh AND the presence. While i have pwned Thanos with your very own logic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL you are the one who just moved around my entire pwning of Thanos.

You say the presence isn't supreme becuz he was Shaped by external forces. As in WAS shaped by but currently isn't being as he says that he is INFINIte and ETERNAL. ( Both of which Thanos NEVER was) But THanos admits to be flat out used and tricked by external forces and yet he was supreme? You are a hippocrit

The light at the time was God and the GEB was the dark. The merger then became Yeweh. I've never heard Zuriel or any of the beings in the Main DC comics ever call the supreme being Yeweh. Thus Yeweh could have been shaped by the external force of the greater presence of the Entire DC comics line. Either way, You have failed in your attempt to belittle yeweh AND the presence. While i have pwned Thanos with your very own logic.

thanos wasnt god but became god. big difference.

presence was always god but alas was never supreme.

pay attention to what i write before calling me a hypocrite and learn how to spell the word first.

Let's make a short recapitulation :

1.This is my post , with all my points . I'm going to remove the images so that nobody says that the images occupy much thus why it looks like my points are more numerous than what he has countered :

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If [B]neither one of them couldn't do it that makes neither The One Above All nor Thanos omnipotent . Not me who said it really , it's the story.
Thanos clearly stated that he can't save the Universe . Period . Nothing to discuss really . He obviously stated that he is incapable of doing this thus he is not omnipotent .

That doesn't change the fact that Thanos didn't have a clue who was coming through the portal thus he was not omniscient . Again , clear as daylight .

And we don't really know how Thanos knew that Warlock was there when he absorbed the universe , but it's clearly stated that he he survived not because of Thanos since he said "Only you could have somehow missed the end of the universe" . Besides , I don't see why I'm bothering with this since you have no proof besides speculations and personal opinions .

And you haven't adressed my point about death , again

Actually Thanos himself states that there was no time and space left , and there is nothing to belive that Thanos let Warlock survive besides your personal assumption , opinion and excuses so that it make look like you have an argument . I don't really think anybody is buying that except the stupid ones which happily I'm not part of .

"Next requires TIME AND SPACE which NO LONGER EXIST "

This is your counter argument to my point ? Perhaps you've misread or something of that sort . In any case , I'll repeat it again because you haven't really adressed it , only have posted your usual scans probably copied and pasted from somewhere to look like you have a counter for what I've said.
In short , Thanos stated that only him and Warlock still exist . Period . Thus , he didn't know that death was still in existence , thus again excluding the fact that he was omniscient . Another aspect is that he was shocked when death showed up which again proves that he had no ideea she's still there . Simple .

Clear as daylight .

Actually he says that during the time he already absorbed the Heart of The Universe , when he was supposdley Omniscient (Which through his own mouth since he says that he was an unsuspecting fool he wasn't) , Omnipotent (Which he wasn't since he couldn't fix the Universe) and Omnipresent (Again , since he wasn't because he didn't know of Death .

Neither could God ? You've just self-beaten yourself . That means that the God in the Marvel Universe can't repair the Universe thus he is not omnipotent .

On-Panel evidence which is pretty much the only one that matters here disagree with you .

He is not Omnipotent (couldn't fix the Universe without destroying and recreating him and neither could the supreme being in Marvel for that matter according to you so Marvel doesn't have an omnipotent being)

He is not Omniscient (since he didn't have a clue who was coming through that portal besides the fact that he should have forseen this and every event that would be going on since the first time he became God , but he didn't nor did he know of the existence of death)

He is not Omnipresent (since , again , he didn't know that death existed nor that Warlock would came )

I see your making circles around my points and not actually responding to them , in turn posting scans that pretty much have nothing to do with them so if you don't I'm going to stop discussing this . Or you could have atleast have the decency and admit that what I say is true and everything will be fine .

As for what you said about the Spectre , we aren't really discussing that so don't try to change the subject . [/B]

^My post with the arguments

What he has countered :

Actually he says that during the time he already absorbed the Heart of The Universe , when he was supposdley Omniscient (Which through his own mouth since he says that he was an unsuspecting fool he wasn't)

Neither could God ? You've just self-beaten yourself . That means that the God in the Marvel Universe can't repair the Universe thus he is not omnipotent .

He is not Omnipotent (couldn't fix the Universe without destroying and recreating him and neither could the supreme being in Marvel for that matter according to you so Marvel doesn't have an omnipotent being)

He is not Omniscient (since he didn't have a clue who was coming through that portal besides the fact that he should have forseen this and every event that would be going on since the first time he became God )

He is not Omnipresent
so if you don't I'm going to stop discussing this .Or you could have atleast have the decency and admit that what I say is true and everything will be fine .On-Panel evidence which is pretty much the only one that matters here disagree with you .

This is my first points . Now let's get to the so called counter-arguments he has .

To be continued in the next post ...

Actually Thanos was reflecting upon the moment when he acquired the Heart.

How can the responsibility of fixing the Universe be passed on,
After Thanos already had it?

So in you're interpretation,

Thanos had God's power before Thanos reached THOTI? What the f**k?

You must have missed the part where Thanos realized that he was used by God only after he saw the flaw in the Universe and not know it the first time he aquired the heart when he was supposdley Omniscient . Thanos even says that "I now (after he saw the flaw in the Universe) clearly saw the oblique nature of the trap I bludered into" when he should have known this the first time he acquired the heart if he truly would have been Omnipotent .

And now , now the really funny post begins . He explains to me the same way he supposdley wanted to show to Nvr and after reading this I've noticed the paragraph :

Toaa/God is a character in Marvel that can literally do anything or be anything,
Win, Lose is doesn't matter,
because God/Toaa is always in control of everything and anything that happens.
Because God/Toaa create everything and anything that happens.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING!.

Now the funny thing is that in his previous post he says this in response to the fact that Thanos can't repair the Universe without destroying it :

Neither could GOD, so what?

This is rather hilarious . Not only he doesn't adress all of my points , but he also contradicts himself one post after another . 😆

Let's move futher .

It is stated on panel that Thanos can't do something (repairing the Universe without destroying it ) , I repeat ON-PANEL yet how does he counter my point ? By using the Marvel site :

Read the analogy.

Or Read something ... Marvel.com (the Official Marvel site) perhaps:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"The Living Tribunal, ruled that the now-omnipotent Thanos must be stopped"
"Thanos decided to destroy the universe and become the one true supreme being"

Marvel.com is wrong ... and you're right. laughing out loud

I've got to say this guy is hilarious .

Let's continue ..

In the next point I point out that Thanos had no ideea who was coming through the portal when if he was Omniscient he should have forseen this since the first time he aquired the Heart of the Universe with the rest of the events . How does he counter it ? With something that has nothing to do with the subject . He tells me that Thanos knew where Warlock was :

Thanos KNOWS exactly WHERE Warlock was,
with WHO and WHAT he was doing there:

"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE THIS REALITY,
tending Atleza, this ACTUALITY'S Cosmic Anchor"

I thought Thanos was clueless about where Warlcok was?

Meh, On Panel evidence from "The End: Marvel" is wrong and you're right. LOL!!!

This contradicts my point ? No . He probably just posted this so that it looks like he has a counter argument .

In the next post I'm going to post my points again , so that every resonable , intelligent person would be able to read and make an opinion .

Mr Master or anybody else , if you aren't going to contradict what I say directly , I repeat directly , without making circles around with useless arguments then don't bother posting at all .

This is going to be in a simple structure so that everybody would understand . (Thanos wasn't that because he couldn't/didn't do that)

1.Thanos was not Omnipotent because he couldn't repair the Universe without destroying it . Does this need further comments ? Is it hard to comprehend ? No .

Let's move on

2.Thanos was not Omniscient because :

*He didn't know who was coming through the portal , when if he truly was omniscient he should have forseen this long ago , but he didn't thus why he said "Who ?"

*Thanos didn't know of the existence of Death thus why he said "Only you and I remain" (To Warlock) and was in shock when he saw her .

*He realized that he was manipulated only after he saw the flaw in the Universe when , if he was truly Omniscient he should have known this since the first time he acquired the heart .

Is this hard to understand really ? No , it's rather simple

Let's move on

3.Thanos was not Omnipresent (Everywhere) because :

*He didn't know of the existence of death when if he was everywhere he should have known where she is or if she exists .

*If he was everywhere he should have known that Warlock would have be coming through that portal .

None of this is complicated or debatable . This isn't even up for discussion because it's very clear and obvious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos became supreme while the presence never became supreme.

thanos wasnt god but became god. big difference.

presence was always god but alas was never supreme.

pay attention to what i write before calling me a hypocrite and learn how to spell the word first.

How was Thanos really supreme when he couldn't even fix the universe without destroying it?? I don't see how you can compare the 2 as equal. The Presence could have UNMADE creation anytime he wanted. Elaine even asked him if he would return repair EVERYTHING because he was gone and everything was falling apart and he gave it to her as she is his grand daughter. Where did the Heart go? Looks like its power was used up something, Michael never has to worry about. 😉

Originally posted by kevdude
How was Thanos really supreme when he couldn't even fix the universe without destroying it?? I don't see how you can compare the 2 as equal. The Presence could have UNMADE creation anytime he wanted. Elaine even asked him if he would return repair EVERYTHING because he was gone and everything was falling apart and he gave it to her as she is his grand daughter. Where did the Heart go? Looks like its power was used up something, Michael never has to worry about. 😉

Originally posted by kevdude
Where did the Heart go? Looks like its power was used up something

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Mr Master or anybody else , if you aren't going to contradict what I say directly , I repeat [b]directly , without making circles around with useless arguments then don't bother posting at all .

This is going to be in a simple structure so that everybody would understand . (Thanos wasn't that because he couldn't/didn't do that)

1.Thanos was not Omnipotent because he couldn't repair the Universe without destroying it . Does this need further comments ? Is it hard to comprehend ? No .

Let's move on

2.Thanos was not Omniscient because :

*He didn't know who was coming through the portal , when if he truly was omniscient he should have forseen this long ago , but he didn't thus why he said "Who ?"

*Thanos didn't know of the existence of Death thus why he said "Only you and I remain" (To Warlock) and was in shock when he saw her .

*He realized that he was manipulated only after he saw the flaw in the Universe when , if he was truly Omniscient he should have known this since the first time he acquired the heart .

Is this hard to understand really ? No , it's rather simple

Let's move on

3.Thanos was not Omnipresent (Everywhere) because :

*He didn't know of the existence of death when if he was everywhere he should have known where she is or if she exists .

*If he was everywhere he should have known that Warlock would have be coming through that portal .

None of this is complicated or debatable . This isn't even up for discussion because it's very clear and obvious. [/B]

First off i think Kirby wins

The only issue i see with your points are warlock..i will explain

There was an issue of the infinity watch where Eternity wanted the gems back..and LT listens to eternity try and put down the members of the watch(cant remember the issue #)
Its eternity describing the watch and trying to get the gems back..long story short.....LT says that because eternity has utter omnipotence he never had the benefit of the unexpected now he has 6 people who he cant use his omnipotence to know about(my memory of it) and he should learn to appreciate it

The infinity gems (if warlock still has it in the end) make you immune to eternity's omnipotence..maybe thanos too..or anyone under LT?....it might explain why thanos did not know anything about him...i am just bringing some info into this debate...not trying to take sides

As a counter point...LT during the trial of warlock and the IG says he knows what warlock decided before warlock did...so LT has a greater capacity for Omnipotence than eternity?

BTW during that same issue..LT states that warlock chose the watch while in a state of omnipotence.........yet states that eternity has Utter omnipotence....this might be Marvels way of stating levels of omnipotence...since i see this debate allot i thought i would put it out there

Sorry i cant remember the issue # but by tomorrow i will...i don't like putting info like this out there without proof...maybe Mr Master or Erik know what i am talking about and can enlighten us with an issue # and such

Originally posted by Air Legend
This post proves that you don't know what the hell happened in Marvel: The End. Especially, this line:

It's obvious that you just look at whatever Erik or Nvr say on the matter when opening your big mouth.

And it's obvious that you think anyone who isn't a dumb ass Robot who takes one person's word as law is dumb to you. I think that it's called free thinking. You should try it. And not insult people becuz they happen to disagree with you. Well not you , since you are a robot.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Mr Master or anybody else , if you aren't going to contradict what I say directly , I repeat [b]directly , without making circles around with useless arguments then don't bother posting at all .

This is going to be in a simple structure so that everybody would understand . (Thanos wasn't that because he couldn't/didn't do that)

1.Thanos was not Omnipotent because he couldn't repair the Universe without destroying it . Does this need further comments ? Is it hard to comprehend ? No .

Let's move on

2.Thanos was not Omniscient because :

*He didn't know who was coming through the portal , when if he truly was omniscient he should have forseen this long ago , but he didn't thus why he said "Who ?"

*Thanos didn't know of the existence of Death thus why he said "Only you and I remain" (To Warlock) and was in shock when he saw her .

*He realized that he was manipulated only after he saw the flaw in the Universe when , if he was truly Omniscient he should have known this since the first time he acquired the heart .

Is this hard to understand really ? No , it's rather simple

Let's move on

3.Thanos was not Omnipresent (Everywhere) because :

*He didn't know of the existence of death when if he was everywhere he should have known where she is or if she exists .

*If he was everywhere he should have known that Warlock would have be coming through that portal .

None of this is complicated or debatable . This isn't even up for discussion because it's very clear and obvious. [/B]

u are just stuck ion ur jaded viewpoints and refuse to think for a second.