Cable vs. Invisible Woman

Originally posted by What If...
Cable shielded himself from, what was it? 70+ nukes, while simultaneously keeping a city afloat, while also channeling the excess energy out of earth's atmosphere. Sue is an ant to Cable. She could hardly keep Clor's single lightning bolt contained.

Check his respect thread if you wish to see his scans, I'm not waisting my time bringing them to you.

using character's low showings vs. other character's high showings is not good debating. Sue's shield has endured far worst. Also you are using faulty reasoning. A spear shot is different than a huge bubble force field protecting an entire team.

Show me where Cable shield himself from 70+ nukes. Just show me one nuke okay. Also you fail to understand that sue can create constructs anywhere. Even within someone's forcefield. How is cable going to defend against a sharp spear or cutting disc penetrating him inside his own shield?

You are also ignoring the fact that he can't find her without TP.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The problem of him finding her while she is invisible is easily countered by the fact that he can launch telekinetic probes to let him "feel" his surroundings, like he did in Uncanny Xmen 383.

Without the scan that could be misinterpreted like so many other said feats.

Second, sue is not going to sit there and wait for him to find her.
She will be going on a full assault. Especially penetrating him with sharp constructs inside his shield. Or even through his shield since its reasonable that Galactus's durability >>>>>>>>>>Cable's shield.

Cable in a stomp. 😬

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Cable in a stomp. 😬

Nah without TP
Sue in a stomp
I've already proved it. Refute my proof?
Please try.

Originally posted by h1a8
Without the scan that could be misinterpreted like so many other said feats.

What's to be misinterpreted? I gave you the issue number, which states he telekinetically probes a building that could house thousands, his probe told him that the building structure was as impervious to harm as pure adamantium. If he can probe a building and tell how durable it is, I don't see invisibility being a problem. I left out the rest of your post, because it was irrelevant, especially since Nathans shield has been called nigh impenetrable since he was an infant. You can argue about shields and sharp invisible objects all you want, I was merely suggesting that without the benefit of telepathy (which was dampened at the time of the tk probe) or his cybernetic eye, he has used his telekinesis to expand his awareness.

cable wins. unless its PIS invisible woman who can blast through galactus's chest and kill celestials.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nah without TP
Sue in a stomp
I've already proved it. Refute my proof?
Please try.

Cable creates a body-tight TK shield, then begins annihilating massive amounts of land (bigger than cities) until he finds Sue.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I left out the rest of your post, because it was irrelevant, especially since Nathans shield has been called nigh impenetrable since he was an infant.

Why would she creating a construct inside his shield be irrelevent?
An galactus' chest is nigh impenetrable to (even more or than SS's).

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Sure.

Cable creates a body-tight TK shield, then begins annihilating massive amounts of land (bigger than cities) until he finds Sue.

Now that is what I'm looking for. That's how you debate.
It's amazing of how long it takes for someone to actually try to refute your arguments instead of just arguing in circles ("They win because they win"😉.

Now two questions come to mind and in which I will only consider high showings and not low ones (because character's use the best strategy available and will fight to their best abilities).

1. Have cable ever created a skin tight shield before (around him or anything else)? I do believe its reasonable that he can though, so feel free to not to go much in detail with this (or not at all). Plus Sue can create skin-tight shields too.

2. Can sue still penetrate his shield with her sharp constructs? Why or why not?

3. Can Cable find her when she could be anywhere around him? Why or why not? And I don't agree with that probing a building to know that its durable is the same as finding someone invisible who could be anywhere.

Now 3. shows that she will at least get many attacks off first before he does. And then it will boil down to 2.

When Jean Grey was found in the coocoon before she got back with X-factor Sue used a little trick on her. She captured Jean in a shield.
A telekenetic can of course use the same trick on Suzie.
Who strikes first would have the upper hand. If you know Sue is within a certian yardage of you all you have to do is keep yourself in a t.k. bubble and create one over the permiter. Sure it would take a powerful t.k. to do so but it would only take a second as you shrink the bubble dragging yourself to her.
All this with the Magneto lesson in mind. In X-men 200 when Maggie fought Fenris he put up a bubble around himself but forgot to extend it underground...

rofl. Stop trying to act like you're something H1- you're embarassing yourself.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why would she creating a construct inside his shield be irrelevent?
An galactus' chest is nigh impenetrable to (even more or than SS's).

It was irrelevant to my original post, which was only talking about ways he could find her without telepathy or cybernetic eye.

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Can Cable find her when she could be anywhere around him? Why or why not? And I don't agree with that probing a building to know that its durable is the same as finding someone invisible who could be anywhere.

Agree or not he can PROBE with his tk. Which would lead one to think it is along the lines of what Jean could do with her tk sensitivity. He probed an entire building realizing that it's structure was as tough as adamantium. He sees Sue who as far as I know doesn't come to the battle invisible, they have fought side by side before and he is aware of her power and her name is the Invisible Woman. She "disappears", he sends out his tk to probe and it hits something solid that feels like skin and bones (he could sense what the structure of a building was like, feeling the structure of a person in his immediate vicinity just does not seem far fetched at all). After that it's who makes the next move. TK can act as an invisible force too, making her just as likely to be hit without knowing it as he is.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why would she creating a construct inside his shield be irrelevent?
An galactus' chest is nigh impenetrable to (even more or than SS's).

nign impenetrable isnt inpenetrable

It is ALMOST

That said Cable rapes sue 😮‍💨

Kibul wins

Okay, since you are obviously incapable of of navigating yourself to Cable's respect thread...

Show me where Cable shield himself from 70+ nukes. Just show me one nuke okay.

Cable takes her apart at a subatomic level?
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5356/cd002208wz.jpg

But really, Cable shouldn't waste his time utterly destroying IW with his tk - he should just teleport her into the sun.
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/3526/cd005204sh.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

Weren't you also bitching about his cybernetic eye?
From the marvel database:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable
"Among his many cybernetic functions, Cable possesses a cybernetic left eye. This eye permits Cable to see deep into the EM (Electro-Magnetic) spectrum, and far deeper than any known 20th – 21st century technologies are capable of. It is also possible that through this eye, Cable is able to see the deployment of psionic energies, as well as the less exotic spectra of electromagnetic energies. His left arm is completely mechanical, and while Cable is ambidextrous, is his stronger arm, probably capable of allowing him to curl and deadlift several tons, without assistance from his right arm. His right arm is also cybernetic, but far less so."

"Cable's techno-organic left arm and shoulder possess enhanced strength, and his techno-organic right eye can see into the infrared portion of the spectrum."

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
nign impenetrable isnt inpenetrable

It is ALMOST

That said Cable rapes sue 😮‍💨

So Cable can make shields more durable than Galactus' durability. 😆

Considering the strength of that shield then I guess he can rend any non abstract thing to pieces as well. 🙄

Originally posted by What If...
Okay, since you are obviously incapable of of navigating yourself to Cable's respect thread...

Sorry about thinking it was 70 missiles...turns out it's 247! Idiot.

Cable takes her apart at a subatomic level?
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5356/cd002208wz.jpg

But really, Cable shouldn't waste his time utterly destroying IW with his tk - he should just teleport her into the sun.
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/3526/cd005204sh.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

Weren't you also bitching about his cybernetic eye?
From the marvel database:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable
"Among his many cybernetic functions, Cable possesses a cybernetic left eye. This eye permits Cable to see deep into the EM (Electro-Magnetic) spectrum, and far deeper than any known 20th – 21st century technologies are capable of. It is also possible that through this eye, Cable is able to see the deployment of psionic energies, as well as the less exotic spectra of electromagnetic energies. His left arm is completely mechanical, and while Cable is ambidextrous, is his stronger arm, probably capable of allowing him to curl and deadlift several tons, without assistance from his right arm. His right arm is also cybernetic, but far less so."

"Cable's techno-organic left arm and shoulder possess enhanced strength, and [b]his techno-organic right eye can see into the infrared portion of the spectrum." [/B]

So it wasn't Nukes at all but missles. Thanks for the scan though.
And I would never call you an idiot. I have respect for everyone here, even children and teens.

And for Cable to rend her he must not only find her but she must not have a shield up as well. The former needs some investigation and the latter is utterly ridiculous.

And what of bending the entire electomagnetic spectrum around her without any distortion don't you understand? Who cares if he can see infared, he's still not seeing her.

Originally posted by h1a8
So it wasn't Nukes at all but missles. Thanks for the scan though.
And I would never call you an idiot. I have respect for everyone here, even children and teens.

And for Cable to rend her he must not only find her but she must not have a shield up as well. The former needs some investigation and the latter is utterly ridiculous.

And what of bending the entire electomagnetic spectrum around her without any distortion don't you understand? Who cares if he can see infared, he's still not seeing her.

Basically it boils down to two things.

1. Can he find her? I will do some more investigating on this one.

2. Can he withstand the power of a spear stab that's great enough to even penetrate Galactus?

Now if 1. is true and 2. isn't then he may get some wins in depending on how fast he is in finding her in relation to Sue attacking him with a spear shot.

Now if 1. isn't true and 2. is (which isn't) then Cable can get some to all wins in.

Now if both isn't true then Sue wins them all.

Now if both are true then Cable wins them all.

So I might even concede the benefit of the doubt to 1. but certainly not to 2.
Thus I see Sue getting the majority (maybe not all) depending on how fast Cable can beat her to the punch (but he must find her first too).