Cable vs. Invisible Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
Now that is what I'm looking for. That's how you debate.
It's amazing of how long it takes for someone to actually try to refute your arguments instead of just arguing in circles ("They win because they win"😉.

Now two questions come to mind and in which I will only consider high showings and not low ones (because character's use the best strategy available and will fight to their best abilities).

1. Have cable ever created a skin tight shield before (around him or anything else)? I do believe its reasonable that he can though, so feel free to not to go much in detail with this (or not at all). Plus Sue can create skin-tight shields too.

2. Can sue still penetrate his shield with her sharp constructs? Why or why not?

3. Can Cable find her when she could be anywhere around him? Why or why not? And I don't agree with that probing a building to know that its durable is the same as finding someone invisible who could be anywhere.

Now 3. shows that she will at least get many attacks off first before he does. And then it will boil down to 2.

2. My opinion on that is obvious, no?

3. Yes... he could annhiliate land, or create multiple massive TK bubbles and simply shrink them until he either finds her or kills her.

Originally posted by h1a8
And what of bending the entire electomagnetic spectrum around her without any distortion don't you understand? Who cares if he can see infared, he's still not seeing her.

Wronggg.

By the way, your only argument in this debate, isn't even real. IF you actually looked at the scan - Galactus isn't there as a physical being. That's why the invisible spear went through him, there is nothing there. Anyways, it's an alternate reality Galactus so it's not canon even if she did shoot through him, which she didn't. Learn to read before you go off gloating nonexistant feats.
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020011yo1.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
So Cable can make shields more durable than Galactus' durability. 😆

When did IW actually do this damage to Galactus?

What IF nice to see you actively debating for a change. good good 🙂

having read 85% of Cables Back-catalogue I agree with Marvel Database's article on his Cybernetic sensory array.

Early on in the characters development [X-Tinction Agenda] Cameron Hodge was anxious to Cut it out of Cables Head during a period of Captivity in Genosha]

It charts energy patterns and signatures accross and beyond the EM spectrum.

If sue bends the spectrum the eye will observe the anomaly in the flow of photon particles. as it can detect anomalies in the form of chronal particles etc.etc.

Written Consistently Cable would always know behind that wooden door is Domino with a Murder weapon and Deadpool naked... Or Caliban is breathing heavily [oral residue] behind that adamantium Tank and Juggernaut is wearing facepaint underneath his helmet haermm

/bump

Originally posted by What If...
Wronggg.

By the way, your only argument in this debate, isn't even real. IF you actually looked at the scan - Galactus isn't there as a physical being. That's why the invisible spear went through him, there is nothing there. Anyways, it's an alternate reality Galactus so it's not canon even if she did shoot through him, which she didn't. Learn to read before you go off gloating nonexistant feats.
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020011yo1.jpg

Now showing the first scan is faulty. This is because Sue wasn't invisible.
Thus she was purposely letting the visible light frequency through the shield.
In the fight with Cable she will be invisible and thus not only bending the entire spectrum without distortion but not even allowing light to penetrate her shield. So the scan doesn't show how Cable can see her.

So to prove it was an alternate universe by giving me the title and issue # and then I will concede with only this:

It is my opinion that a very determined and focused Sue can penetrate Cable. I greatly believe in her and admit I'm a fan of hers.
If she can't then I wholeheartily agree she loses everytime.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
1. He has with gravimetric technology, which he's been shown capable of manipulating to a far lesser degree than his TK.

2. My opinion on that is obvious, no?

3. Yes... he could annhiliate land, or create multiple massive TK bubbles and simply shrink them until he either finds her or kills her.

Great post!
I believe that Cable can make a skintight shield
so I will not argue this.

3. is good debating.

2. I believe in Sue so I would say that its my opinion that she can penetrate him (unless I see halfway decent evidence that she can't).

But other than that I'm not too far from seeing that Cable wins all the time. It just would hurt me if Sue isn't strong enough to penetrate his shield after seeing what she has done in the past. But I could be very wrong about this whole thing. Good debating though!

Cables Shields have prevailed against Sinister and Apocalypses T-O virus, X-Man/Nate Grey [Cable 31] Apocalypse [Cable 35 75 Cable & Deadool 27] Savage Hulk [Onslaught Saga] Bloodlusted Silver Surfer [The Burnt Offerring] The demons Sym & Belasco & most importantly every Mechanical [Therms Nanite viruses etc ] & Biological weapons [Chyvare Stryfe The Flatliners The Caananites ] attack the 30Th Century has to offer

My question to this VS. is why are we using GOD-like Cable vs. regular IW where GL-Cable is 100x more powerful than regular Cable. IMO. Although I think if written properly Sue is a BEAST... And she gets nowhere near the props she is deserved... But in this case I also think that GOD-like Cable would get the majority of wins against regular IW... On the other hand, If you were to go Most powerful IW vs. Most powerful Cable... Say UNI-IW vs. GOD-like Cable it's then a whitewash for Sue. But as it's set up now GL-Cable gets the majority.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now that may be an alternate universe yes
but Galactus was a physical being. Just because it wasn't his true form doesn't mean it wasn't physical. The panel implies no such thing. It even shows his back being busted up because of the spear. Now it still was a great feat since Galactus had been struck from beings like Hercules (whose high class 100) without effect. He also been physically shot at with energy and such too.

So to prove it was an alternate universe by giving me the title and issue # and then I will concede with only this:

It is my opinion that a very determined and focused Sue can penetrate Cable. I greatly believe in her and admit I'm a fan of hers.
If she can't then I wholeheartily agree she loses everytime.

So basically you just saw a scan, without even the slightest knowledge of the arc it was involved in, and used it in your debate??
Shnazzy.

The whole story involves WW being transported By Utah to a different dimension, where she runs into this Galactus.

Even thought it's quite obvious Galactus is not there as a physical being, but in a spectre like form, I'll let you bathe in your denial. The scan isn't canon anyways 😬.

So - you honestly think Sue can distract/pull down Cable's defences even though he SIMULTANOUSLY
-kept a city afloat via TK
-battled SS via TK
-rebuilt everything SS destroyed, as he was fighting him via TK

when right before he was simultaneously
- keeping a city afloat
- shielding himself, and the city, from 247 missiles
- was keeping the full force of Cyclops' optic blast from unleashing when he opened his eyes.

Anyways...Cable just teleports, or carries, the whole arena into space. How is she avoiding that, again?

Now showing the first scan is faulty. This is because Sue wasn't invisible.
Thus she was purposely letting the visible light frequency through the shield.
In the fight with Cable she will be invisible and thus not only bending the entire spectrum without distortion but not even allowing light to penetrate her shield. So the scan doesn't show how Cable can see her.

False. It doesn't matter if Sue wasn't invisible - because her shield still was. His beam was able to bypass the shield, the invisible shield, via the frequencies she allows in. Cable would be able to see distortion in these frequencies. Provide a scan that STATES otherwise, or stfu. You seem to advocate scan posting so firmly, yet have failed to post a SINGLE one yourself.

/b

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know who Cable god version is. .

There are a few nick name that interpret Cable at this stage. God like or Jesus Cable are one of the same.
Its really just Cable not hindered by the T.O. virus.

I made a respect thread dedicated to this stage alone. It covers most of his abilities with issue numbers to look up.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,145831.0.html

Moving on…
No telepathy does hinder Cable in the sense of finding her. But I am not sure if the inferred eye will pick up her whereabouts. In theory, Cable should detect her presence if he has control of his TK to such wide and fine control. Similar to how IW, uses her force fields to expand and find invisible objects. Its within reason to say Cable should be capable of doing so.

I doubt Sue will breach his defenses, and if she does Cable has Deadpools healing factor.
With massive power to work with, and some psi attacks (they ware not restricted in this match).

I give the match to Cable

Originally posted by What If...
So basically you just saw a scan, without even the slightest knowledge of the arc it was involved in, and used it in your debate??
Shnazzy.

The whole story involves WW being transported By Utah to a different dimension, where she runs into this Galactus.

Even thought it's quite obvious Galactus is not there as a physical being, but in a spectre like form, I'll let you bathe in your denial. The scan isn't canon anyways 😬.

So - you honestly think Sue can distract/pull down Cable's defences even though he [b]SIMULTANOUSLY
-kept a city afloat via TK
-battled SS via TK
-rebuilt everything SS destroyed, as he was fighting him via TK

when right before he was simultaneously
- keeping a city afloat
- shielding himself, and the city, from 247 missiles
- was keeping the full force of Cyclops' optic blast from unleashing when he opened his eyes.

Anyways...Cable just teleports, or carries, the whole arena into space. How is she avoiding that, again?

False. It doesn't matter if Sue wasn't invisible - because her shield still was. His beam was able to bypass the shield, the invisible shield, via the frequencies she allows in. Cable would be able to see distortion in these frequencies. Provide a scan that STATES otherwise, or stfu. You seem to advocate scan posting so firmly, yet have failed to post a SINGLE one yourself. [/B]

Everything you said here is fine and dandy.
Except that I wasn't saying Sue will distract or pull down Cable's defenses. I was saying that I believe she can penetrate his shield with a determined sharp construct.

And you don't understand your faultiness. Its okay, I'll explain again.
Sue purposely allowed light to enter her shield. She didn't have to if she didn't want to. The guy's beam piggy backed on the visible light to enter her shield because he knew that she was allowing visible light to enter.
That's why she wasn't invisible.

Sue's shields has blocked visible lasers, thus proving that its her choice whether she wants light to enter her shield or not. She also can bend the entire em spectrum (not just visible light) without distortion to become invisible. You couldn't even detect her with radar.

So cable can teleport an entire arena somewhere?
Proof please.

Originally posted by id369
There are a few nick name that interpret Cable at this stage. God like or Jesus Cable are one of the same.
Its really just Cable not hindered by the T.O. virus.

I made a respect thread dedicated to this stage alone. It covers most of his abilities with issue numbers to look up.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,145831.0.html

Moving on…
No telepathy does hinder Cable in the sense of finding her. But I am not sure if the inferred eye will pick up her whereabouts. In theory, Cable should detect her presence if he has control of his TK to such wide and fine control. Similar to how IW, uses her force fields to expand and find invisible objects. Its within reason to say Cable should be capable of doing so.

I doubt Sue will breach his defenses, and if she does Cable has Deadpools healing factor.
With massive power to work with, and some psi attacks (they ware not restricted in this match).

I give the match to Cable

Thanks for the clarification on who God cable is.

Sue is very powerful when she is very determined,
as this version of Cable is too. Maybe Cable can withstand the full might of IW sharp contructs. Maybe he can't. Since I believe in Sue then I will say he can't. But I'm going to research the comics the poster somewhat above gave. I will also do research on more of this Cable and Sue. Until then, I believe in you Sue.

P.S. I am fairly sure that Cable doesn't have deadpool's level of healing factor. So I think he can be at least Koed if something were to penetrate his brain.

Originally posted by What If...
So basically you just saw a scan, without even the slightest knowledge of the arc it was involved in, and used it in your debate??
Shnazzy.

The whole story involves WW being transported By Utah to a different dimension, where she runs into this Galactus.

Even thought it's quite obvious Galactus is not there as a physical being, but in a spectre like form, I'll let you bathe in your denial. The scan isn't canon anyways 😬.

So - you honestly think Sue can distract/pull down Cable's defences even though he [b]SIMULTANOUSLY
-kept a city afloat via TK
-battled SS via TK
-rebuilt everything SS destroyed, as he was fighting him via TK

when right before he was simultaneously
- keeping a city afloat
- shielding himself, and the city, from 247 missiles
- was keeping the full force of Cyclops' optic blast from unleashing when he opened his eyes.

Anyways...Cable just teleports, or carries, the whole arena into space. How is she avoiding that, again?

False. It doesn't matter if Sue wasn't invisible - because her shield still was. His beam was able to bypass the shield, the invisible shield, via the frequencies she allows in. Cable would be able to see distortion in these frequencies. Provide a scan that STATES otherwise, or stfu. You seem to advocate scan posting so firmly, yet have failed to post a SINGLE one yourself. [/B]

I forgot to mention.
Not that it matters if the scan isn't canon. I dunno.
But Galactus was very physical there.
The proof is in the scan itself.
See his back busting up when Sue penetrates him.
Surely that's physical.

Cables has 2 time displacement cores
tjeh one from Graymalkin also allows travel between dimensions and is currently on Providence island.

The other one is aboard a ship from an assasin from his time [Sinsear] sent back in time by Tribune Haight to kill him.

with Bishop in attendance [Cable 41] pwns Sinsear for the second time and takes command of the vessel when Sinsear destroys himself.

each of the time displacement cores on these vessels is capable of moving a large mass through time and space [Graymalkin = Providence] to precise co-ordinates

If Cable really wants to he can connect via cyberpathy or infonet and shunt the arena [minus himself] off planet.

Originally posted by don't shiv
Cables has 2 time displacement cores
tjeh one from Graymalkin also allows travel between dimensions and is currently on Providence island.

The other one is aboard a ship from an assasin from his time [Sinsear] sent back in time by Tribune Haight to kill him.

with Bishop in attendance [Cable 41] pwns Sinsear for the second time and takes command of the vessel when Sinsear destroys himself.

each of the time displacement cores on these vessels is capable of moving a large mass through time and space [Graymalkin = Providence] to precise co-ordinates

If Cable really wants to he can connect via cyberpathy or infonet and shunt the arena [minus himself] off planet.

Originally posted by h1a8
You may have stated some facts (I dunno) but the rest seems like a lot of speculation. This can rest now until I finish my research (Unless someone else wants to argue for Sue though).

How can you come in here so determined and sure that she will win, but then admit that you have to do research? What are researching more pictures of her shooting intangible beings and then saying she broke through their defences? Cable all day everyday!! And he'll find her with a tk probe plain and simple or his eye, or both.

Originally posted by LordKaos
How can you come in here so determined and sure that she will win, but then admit that you have to do research? What are researching more pictures of her shooting intangible beings and then saying she broke through their defences? Cable all day everyday!! And he'll find her with a tk probe plain and simple or his eye, or both.

I don't know anything about this God Cable. That is why I am primarily doing research.
All my arguments were to regular Cable (who I use to read about in the comics many years ago). If you look at my first post in the thread then you would see that I said Sue vs. reg Cable and not God Cable. I didn't want to argue God Cable because I didn't know who he was.

Lastly, how can an intangible being's back bust into pieces when a spear is thrusted though it? Please answer.

What'll happen if Sue encased Cable in forcefield like what she did to Jean Grey?