Megaman & Zero VERSUS Sonic & Shadow

Originally posted by lightness
i theorize that dark hold only works on machines since all mm enemies are electronic. i'm not sure if it'll work on organic things but i guess it's their trump card if it does

I already proved how strong classic Mega Man is; his feats of lifting a portion of Skull Fortress from foundation level and tossing building sized robots more than trumps Shadow's semi-truck strength feat. X and Zero individually are stronger still than Mega Man, and therefore, Shadow.

The least of X and Zero's armaments include the ability to raise energy shields, go intangible, go invisible, reverse gravity, create black holes capable of swallowing energy blasts and matter, create Soul Body clones (think Bunshin no Jutsu), raise barriers that can freeze attackers on contact or drain their energy, fill the air or floors with acid, summon swarms of Phoenix-like creatures or past Maverick Hunters, slow time or stop it, or simply toss around ludicrously large energy blasts with terrifying rapidity. This is the short list of what X and Zero bring to the table and it does not include their ultimate forms.

Sonic and Shadow's only real advantage here is their speed, which can be countered by X and Zero's android reflexes, area attacks, time-stops, intangibility, and gravity control.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
then Zero should be able to access his Awakened Maverick Form, which is invincible, fully capable of speed-blitzing, flight, and a wide area, instant kill attack.

Sure didn't seem like that when you slug out 5-6 damage with Giga Crush.

Wow this is still going.

Been a while, good to see you acrosurge.

-@shtar out

X & Zero

Originally posted by Acrosurge
The Dark Hold stops time, not electronics and this is stated in the game sourcebook. I only mentioned it as a counter to Chaos Control. It is certainly not X and Zero's only winning card.

Expect Dark Hold is drained rather quickly unlike the unlimited power of the Chaos Emeralds.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I already proved how strong classic Mega Man is; his feats of lifting a portion of Skull Fortress from foundation level and tossing building sized robots more than trumps Shadow's semi-truck strength feat. X and Zero individually are stronger still than Mega Man, and therefore, Shadow.

Really? Because it says that X can only lift proximity of several thousand pounds where as a semi-truck weighs more than 100,000 pounds.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
The least of X and Zero's armaments include the ability to raise energy shields, go intangible, go invisible, reverse gravity, create black holes capable of swallowing energy blasts and matter, create Soul Body clones (think Bunshin no Jutsu), raise barriers that can freeze attackers on contact or drain their energy, fill the air or floors with acid, summon swarms of Phoenix-like creatures or past Maverick Hunters, slow time or stop it, or simply toss around ludicrously large energy blasts with terrifying rapidity. This is the short list of what X and Zero bring to the table and it does not include their ultimate forms.

Shadow has faced someone vastly powerful and was capable on creating hundreds of clones of himself but a simple removal of his rings and Shadow's true strength is revealed and he whipped out all the Mephiles...es within seconds. And again the Dark Hold can't even compare to Chaos Control considering how quickly the energy goes bye bye.

And even then that's a copied ability. In fact most of what you said is just a copied ability X gets in like one game. In fact X really only starts with his X-Buster. Shadow doesn't need the Chaos Emeralds to perform Chaos Control or Chaos Blast as seen in Shadow the Hedgehog when Black Doom took all seven Chaos Emeralds and yet Shadow still was capable on doing both attacks.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Sonic and Shadow's only real advantage here is their speed, which can be countered by X and Zero's android reflexes, area attacks, time-stops, intangibility, and gravity control.

You basically gave X every single weapon copy that they only get from defeating a certain enemy. So to be fair Sonic and Shadow are Hyper Sonic and Super Shadow. You can't beat invincible.

1.Dark Hold is limited to how much energy you have.

2. A semi truck is crap compared too lifting a dinosaur Sized Mecharoid and spinning it over your head.

3. X and Zero have faced planet busters

4. Sonic is not invincible in his super forms. He's been knocked down by knuckles for one and can be knocked down by a robot built by Eggman ( Last boss of Sonic 3)

(1) Dark Hold drains power so fast it isn't even funny.

(2) Where was this?

(3) And Sonic has faced the god of destruction (Perfect Chaos), Shadow has faced the Immortal Life Form (Devil Doom), and both (with Silver) have faced the god of the sun, Solaris. Oh and the Ark was capable on destroying a planet as well as the Death Egg.

(4) The Master Emerald has the power to negate the Chaos Emeralds. What is Knuckles the guardian of? The Master Emerald. Try not to think about it hard oh and if they actually made Super Sonic 100% invincible back during the Genesis era that would have taken away all difficulty. Because according to you a robot that throws down Super Sonic can harm him and yet being hit by Perfect Chaos's blast (which destroyed the Egg Carrier 2) doesn't do a thing.

Megaman and Zero can't win this.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
(1) Dark Hold drains power so fast it isn't even funny.

(2) Where was this?

(3) And Sonic has faced the god of destruction (Perfect Chaos), Shadow has faced the Immortal Life Form (Devil Doom), and both (with Silver) have faced the god of the sun, Solaris. Oh and the Ark was capable on destroying a planet as well as the Death Egg.

(4) The Master Emerald has the power to negate the Chaos Emeralds. What is Knuckles the guardian of? The Master Emerald. Try not to think about it hard oh and if they actually made Super Sonic 100% invincible back during the Genesis era that would have taken away all difficulty. Because according to you a robot that throws down Super Sonic can harm him and yet being hit by Perfect Chaos's blast (which destroyed the Egg Carrier 2) doesn't do a thing.

(1) No, it doesn't, and as long as it has energy it will no drain.

(2) Megaman II

(3) Most if not all the bosses were defeated by their super forms. Furthermore, God and immortal are just titles.

Oh, and Omega could warp reality, The Dark Fairy was a planet Buster, Sigma could destroy a city with the wave of his hand. . .All beaten By Megaman And Zero. Infact, Zero was in a weaker body when he defeated Omega.

(4) Knuckles did not even use the Master emerald. Infact, he was nowhere near it, now if your claiming that knuckles can tap into it's power anytime to negate Super Sonic. . .Despite the fact that he just hit him to K.O. him. The burden of proof is on you.

Alot things don't hurt him, but the claim that he's invincible is crap. Maybe, invulnerable, bt invincible since eggman and knuckles could K.O. him