Deathstroke, Batman, jason todd vs Wolverine, Captain America and Bucky

Originally posted by masterbruce
batman can beat captain america as batman is more skilled fighter (held his own against Karate kid) and is much smarter

DS holds off wolverine easily, and then Bats team up to take logan down

capt likly could have beaten that karate kid. You know there three of them right..........

smarter means nothing in combat.

batman is also physically not as good as capt.

also your going to assume batman can take out capt before logan takes out DS?

so let me get this straight batman beats capt ebcuase he smarter ( which means nothing in a fight) and becuase he more skilled ( which he is not an I love for you to attempt to prove this)

still all im hearing from you is im a batman fan boy...........over and over........hell you prove this by saying batman is superior to capt in skill.

Originally posted by Soljer
Batman only held his own against Karate Kid because his name is 'Batman.'

Same reason that if Captain America was in DC, he would also hold his own against Val.

that's like saying batman is only the greatest because he's batman.

btw, cap ain't batman...DC would crumble if batman was killed.

Originally posted by Soljer
Batman only held his own against Karate Kid because his name is 'Batman.'

Same reason that if Captain America was in DC, he would also hold his own against Val.

Jason Todd beats Bucky. But Wolverine and Captain America seem much more formidable with batman and deathstroke having no prep. I mean they are good on the Fly. But Captain could fight DS for a long time before Deathstroke Got a victory. Which isn't good for batman becuz batman is NOT beating wolverine without prep. After Jason Tood beats Bucky, he's going to be left to face a refreshed wolverine who doesn't get tired. While he will be. He goes down and then it's Captain and Wolverine on Death stroke. DS is good. But not that good.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
that was well and thought out

bucky has quite a big arsonal he ueses granades and explosives as well.

also Logan gunna be a ***** to take down with such things.

Capt will also be a ***** as well to take down due to his shield.

it could likly become a melee fight rather quickly.

not to mention with bucky throwing grandes and shooting up a storm team bats are gunna have a hard time really hitting there targets.

we also know capt dodges bullets like it his job and with that shield of his it almsot impossable to hit him.

jsut some food for thought.

Aye,thats true,but you have to admit everything said there goes both ways in this exchange.

Also,You have to remember,although Bucky and Cap we're a skilled team,the last time they fought in unison was over 40 years ago,Batman and Jason last fought side by side just a year ago,and in that time theydefeated an above peak human and a guy who's stalemated Black Adam..

Now,DS and RH have together a far larger arsenal of destructive weapons then Bucky,so team 2 will run out of ammo far quicker,which works against them,as Both RH and DS are crackshots,and it will be hard to dodge bullets,explosions and Batarangs all at once,let alone finding an offense.

As i said i find this extremely close but lean top team 1.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Aye,thats true,but you have to admit everything said there goes both ways in this exchange.

Also,You have to remember,although Bucky and Cap we're a skilled team,the last time they fought in unison was over 40 years ago,Batman and Jason last fought side by side just a year ago,and in that time theydefeated an above peak human and a guy who's stalemated Black Adam..

Now,DS and RH have together a far larger arsenal of destructive weapons then Bucky,so team 2 will run out of ammo far quicker,which works against them,as Both RH and DS are crackshots,and it will be hard to dodge bullets,explosions and Batarangs all at once,let alone finding an offense.

As i said i find this extremely close but lean top team 1.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I must disagree. Cap is a match for DS for a good long time. And Wolverine is as Well. Without prep. team one is out gunned by Two Deathstroke lvl opponents.

Personally i think that prep is over-rated,and that it's not wise to think that this will be a 1v1 sorta fight.

Teamwork will play apart,as well as gadgets,and frankly team 1 edges it out there.Who says Bats has to take Cap or Hood takes WS?If they fight in unison,constantly keeping team 2 on the move with grenades and explosives then eventually there will be openings.

As i have said,it is extremly close.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Aye,thats true,but you have to admit everything said there goes both ways in this exchange.

Also,You have to remember,although Bucky and Cap we're a skilled team,the last time they fought in unison was over 40 years ago,Batman and Jason last fought side by side just a year ago,and in that time theydefeated an above peak human and a guy who's stalemated Black Adam..

though you must remeber DS has never really worked with batman at all and will lack a lot of teamwork. Logan on the other hand was on the new avengers with capt. so any advantage batman and jason todd have in team work will be counter by the fact deathstroke lacks working with batman. While team capt have all worked togather before and capt and wolverine have worked togather ratehr recently so in the end the team work factor is about equal with both in my opinion.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Now,DS and RH have together a far larger arsenal of destructive weapons then Bucky,so team 2 will run out of ammo far quicker,which works against them,as Both RH and DS are crackshots,and it will be hard to dodge bullets,explosions and Batarangs all at once,let alone finding an offense.

As i said i find this extremely close but lean top team 1.

Though true. Bucky arsenal is not much smaller then either DS or Rh. He also carries a lot of bullets. I doubt the ammont of bullets will be a factor. The fight would becoem close quarter lone before some one ran out of bullets.

though good shots there still only firieng bullets which they can not make go any faster then any one else can. There no Bullseye. Capt and wolverine could dodge quite a bit.

then you have bucky shooting back at them which of course means team batman will have to firer and dodge.

Batman will also likly want to take it close up and will throw only a few bat toys notice it useless and attack h2h style.

wolverine charging at you and taking your best shots will be a pain and likly be your main target once you notice he shurgging off your best attacks leaveing capt with much less to dodge.

Im not saying this is correct Im saying this is jsut some ideas I have. If you dont agree with some of my poitns feel free to adress them.

Wolverine One a good day can take a few punches from the hulk. No one on team two is dishing that kind of dmg out. And cap's shield can do better. When it comes down to it, team two has better dmg protection and higher dmg output in the form of Wolverine.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I must disagree. Cap is a match for DS for a good long time. And Wolverine is as Well. Without prep. team one is out gunned by Two Deathstroke lvl opponents.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
to tell you the truth one on one im pritty sure Logan would take DS down.

NO WAI?!

Capt, thinking Logan would win??? WOW!!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
very true.

though you must remeber DS has never really worked with batman at all and will lack a lot of teamwork. Logan on the other hand was on the new avengers with capt. so any advantage batman and jason todd have in team work will be counter by the fact deathstroke lacks working with batman. While team capt have all worked togather before and capt and wolverine have worked togather ratehr recently so in the end the team work factor is about equal with both in my opinion.

Then thats is a quite an underestimation of both Batman and Deathstroke,as DS was in the army,and has experience in this kind of matter,and as both Batman and Deathstroke are proffesionals in this matter and will work together perfectly.

You might say that about WS,but the fact is he was trained specificaly in a style Cap didn't want,so that would clash with his ability to formulate teamwork.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
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Though true. Bucky arsenal is not much smaller then either DS or Rh. He also carries a lot of bullets. I doubt the ammont of bullets will be a factor. The fight would becoem close quarter lone before some one ran out of bullets.

though good shots there still only firieng bullets which they can not make go any faster then any one else can. There no Bullseye. Capt and wolverine could dodge quite a bit.

then you have bucky shooting back at them which of course means team batman will have to firer and dodge.

Batman will also likly want to take it close up and will throw only a few bat toys ntoice it useless and attack h2h style.

wolverine charging at you and taking your best shots will be a pain and likly be your main target once you notice he shurgging off your best attacks leaveing capt with much less to dodge.

Im not saying this is correct Im saying this is jsut some ideas I have. If you dont agree with some of my poitns feel free to adress them.

Individually of course he has as much,but when DS and RH pool their ammo they have double his.

And as you have pointed out,team 2 will be dodging explosions left right and center,and in wolverines case getting up after being hit....i highly doubt that team 1 would openly try to engage them in H2H after seeing that,as they are smarter then that.

Also,Bucky will just make a target of himself if he starts shooting back,and as he lacks a shield or HF to protect himself he will die if DS and RH concentrate on him,as remember,It's hard tro dodge Bullets,grenades and Batarrangs all at once.

Originally posted by masterbruce
NO WAI?!

Capt, thinking Logan would win??? WOW!!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
at least I have enough sense not to think some one wins because umm......there "smarter"........which is simply code for im bias as hell.

yeah because intelligence doesn't mean anything in a fight

hence why Rhino's kicking Spiderman's butt all the time...oh wait, no he doesn't!

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Then thats is a quite an underestimation of both Batman and Deathstroke,as DS was in the army,and has experience in this kind of matter,and as both Batman and Deathstroke are proffesionals in this matter and will work together perfectly.

My point is that wolverine, capt and bucky have all had experience working with one another.

So any advantage abtman and jason may have they will lose with DS lack of experience working with each one.

So in the end teamwork is pritty much equal.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
You might say that about WS,but the fact is he was trained specificaly in a style Cap didn't want,so that would clash with his ability to formulate teamwork.

Capt has no problem with how bucky fights at all.

Bucky fought that way all through WW2 and capt never was had any trouble working with either winter soldier or wolverine

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Individually of course he has as much,but when DS and RH pool their ammo they have double his..

Originally posted by Martian_mind
And as you have pointed out,team 2 will be dodging explosions left right and center,and in wolverines case getting up after being hit....i highly doubt that team 1 would openly try to engage them in H2H after seeing that,as they are smarter then that...

also Logan being hit down is very unlikly.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Also,Bucky will just make a target of himself if he starts shooting back,and as he lacks a shield or HF to protect himself he will die if DS and RH concentrate on him,as remember,It's hard tro dodge Bullets,grenades and Batarrangs all at once.

Capt and wolverine are very very fast.

focusing on bucky could leave team batman open for attacks

again im not saying team two wins im just stating down somethings I was thinking

Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah because intelligence doesn't mean anything in a fight

hence why Rhino's kicking Spiderman's butt all the time...oh wait, no he doesn't!

intell means pritty much jack shit in a fight unless your retarded like rhino who actaully KO's them selfs.

also that more spidermans superior speed then any thing else

Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah because intelligence doesn't mean anything in a fight

hence why Rhino's kicking Spiderman's butt all the time...oh wait, no he doesn't!

Because he uses environmental advantages he doesn't have on the forum.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
oh im not at all. Your forgetting that wolverine, capt and bucky were all trained soldier as well.

My point is that wolverine, capt and bucky have all ahd experience working with one another.
So any advantage abtman and jason may have they will lose with DS lack of experience working with each one.
So in the end teamwork is pritty much equal
actaully WS was trained by the same people as capt.
Capt has no problem with how bucky fights at all.
Bucky fought that way all through WW2 and capt never was had any trouble working with either winter soldier or wolverine
which won't matter much because there not sharing ammo
batman not one to just sit back. And that all he be doing if they tried to play only range. Batman normally a mix of range and melee combat at once.
also Logan being hit down is very unlikly.
True though you must remebr there not really that far away from eachother and bucky would only need to dodge for a few seconds and bam capt and wolverine are on bats team.
Capt and wolverine are very very fast.
focusing on bucky could leave team batman open for attacks

My point is Bucky now has a different style then when he was with Cap,that time with the russins changed him.

Not sharing ammo?dude,they both shoot at the same time,even if they don't share thats still twice as much as Bucky can shoot.

Batman strategises,if he sees that they are good enough to dodge bullets and explosives he will hang back,saying he'll run in is just plain wrong in this situation.

Focusing on WS will take but a second,if this is a neutral setting then it's in an arena,so all they have to do is get team twos backs to the wall,then they all throw a grenade,circling Bucky.then Boom.

Cap and Wolverine are both fast,but Batman has caught arrows from bows,DS has kept up with Flash and Jasons dodged bullets after they've left the gun,chances of a speedblitz are rather low mate.

So capt and Wolverine Vs the other three.This has several ways it can go.Jason and Bats double team Cap and put him down quickly whilst DS fends off Wolverine,OR They hold of Wolverine whilst DS takes down Cap.

batman has smoke pellets, explosive batarangs, flash pellets, acids, lasers, and a whole lot of other stuff

he and jason can def take down cap and bucky with that

then they help out DS and take down logan

Originally posted by Martian_mind
My point is Bucky now has a different style then when he was with Cap,that time with the russins changed him.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Not sharing ammo?dude,they both shoot at the same time,even if they don't share thats still twice as much as Bucky can shoot..

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Batman strategises,if he sees that they are good enough to dodge bullets and explosives he will hang back,saying he'll run in is just plain wrong in this situation...

batman not one to sit there and do nothing and he has attack people ocne he found out he was not hitting them with his projectiles,

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Focusing on WS will take but a second,...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
if this is a neutral setting then it's in an arena,so all they have to do is get team twos backs to the wall,then they all throw a grenade,circling Bucky.then Boom.,...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Cap and Wolverine are both fast,but Batman has caught arrows from bows,DS has kept up with Flash and Jasons dodged bullets after they've left the gun,chances of a speedblitz are rather low mate..,...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So capt and Wolverine Vs the other three.This has several ways it can go.Jason and Bats double team Cap and put him down quickly whilst DS fends off Wolverine,OR They hold of Wolverine whilst DS takes down Cap.

just my thoughts on the matter.