Originally posted by Faunus
I'm sure he somehow managed to pull the time out of his ass, but to say he could study "uninterrupted" is pushing it.
I agree. There is no way for an Emperor of "a galaxy-spanning empire" to have uninterrupted leisure time. But I'd say that it covered the vast majority of his daily schedule; at least for the majority of his twenty years as galactic dictator -- though likely not the first section.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How is it pushing it? In fact it seems very logical that for at least 18 of those 20 years, before the rebellion really became a problem, he studied all the ways of the force.
Actually, the idea that he could study all the ways of the Force in less than it takes for Luke Skywalker to mature and somehow surpass knowledge of ancient Jedi and thousands of generations worth of Force trained beings and master it simply strikes me as unreasonable to the uttermost. I can concede that Sidious was a virtual Force wizard and that he had plenty of spare time to practice Force-Spank and all its variants, but the idea that he pretty much mastered the Force in its entirety above anyone else is simply non-logical.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Oh, and btw, neitehr of these three are average. They are all above average. Average would be like Sedriss or TPM Kenobi. Even as an apprentice Malak was a prodigy, Sirak was cautious of Githany, and Caedus is stronger than anyone in his era except Luke. How is that average?
I would hesitate to call Sedriss average. He seemed fairly powerful (though I agree, not anywhere close to the level of the 'greats'😉. Didn't he summon lightning from the atmosphere?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Caedus is more powerful than Revan? Even with the author inconsistencies, Caedus has shown pretty damn good ability with a saber, but even with his 5 year vacation, he was wtfpwned by Luke. When we talk about overall force knowledge, very few people are on Revan's level, which is undoubtedly superior to Caedus thus far.
Caedus is more powerful than Revan from what we know. He was able to compete with a mad Luke. He is able to have pain make him stronger. He is constantly hidden in the force, making it harder for his enemies to sense where he is going to attack. He is able to completely dominate Arrau Sing's mind. In a duel he is able to move his lightsaber faster than the eye can see. He is able to hit Luke with force thrown objects.
Some people are saying that Caedus might lose if this turns into a force duel. How are Malak and Githany going to do this if Caedus is attacking faster than the eye can see?
Originally posted by Gideon
I would hesitate to call Sedriss average. He seemed fairly powerful (though I agree, not anywhere close to the level of the 'greats'😉. Didn't he summon lightning from the atmosphere?
I don't know about Sedress summoning lightning to the atmosphere. All I know is he killed 2 of Palpatine's officials after they betrayed Palpatine, and got Force Pushed by DE Luke when he went at him. He was Force Pushed into a tree, but the tree was really an ancient Jedi Master, who sacrificed his life to kill Sedriss.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwns
[B]After studying from almost every different force-user groups Caedus has less force knowledge than Revan? Revan just knows jedi and ancient sith techniques.
Caedus is more powerful than Revan from what we know. He was able to compete with a mad Luke. He is able to have pain make him stronger. He is constantly hidden in the force, making it harder for his enemies to sense where he is going to attack. He is able to completely dominate Arrau Sing's mind. In a duel he is able to move his lightsaber faster than the eye can see. He is able to hit Luke with force thrown objects.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering Sedriss was able to match Ood Bnar (One of the most renowned Jedi Masters of the KOTOR era), drawing up from the core of Ossus...I'd say he's well above average
You're aware of several things:
1. that's the natural life cycle of Ood Bnar's species, all of whom are Force Sensitive. The force of that was able to put Exar Kun right on his ass.
2. Ood is one of the main Convocation leaders on Ossus and in Shadows and Light, his Padawan Shaela remembers him as a great loss.
3. Regardless of what he gained or loss, he was drawing up power directly from the planet's core to fight Sedriss, who was able to match him.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revan knows Jedi and Sith techniques, a LOT of them. Caedus knows some jedi techniques and some "broad" force abilities. Yes, Revan is far superior to Caedus in overall force knowledge.
This is your opinion.
His fight with luke shows that hes great with a saber, as was Revan, as the greatest in an order of tens of thousands.
Dominate Sing? You mean fett's daughter.
I would say what Revan did with the Rakata far exceeds anything Caedus has done other than flow walking, which is a ridiculous technique added by the pot smoking authors.
I think Caedus's abilities put him ahead of Revan (for the reasons I listed in my first post).
Originally posted by tulakhordpwns
Where are getting that Revan knew "a LOT" of powers while Caedus knows "some". Caedus also knows sith techniques.
And if Revan knows sith and jedi powers but Caedus knows jedi, sith, and other force powers, I don't see how Revan knows more.
I believe he is getting at the fact that Revan was the first in along time to visit malachor v which a lot of sith techniques that would become lost when the planet and those who have studied there died (like Traya,Sion and Nihilus) or m.i.a. like Revan. And it is doubtful that Caedus could know them. And combine that with the statement that bane made saying that revan's holocron had more knowledge than what was on korriban at the time. It is east to say that Revan can atleast rival cadeus in force knowledge. Though due to the fact of Caedus studying more about the force from others than the jedi and sith i would have to agree that caedus has a broader knowledge base. But Revan's sith knowledge vs. Caedus's sith knowledge i would think that goes into Revan's favor.
Of course Revan has more overall knowledge. Caedus might POSSIBLY have more force potential but Revan learned various Jedi and Sith techniques, while Caedus grew up in a time where a lot of the ancient jedi techniques were lost as a result of the Jedi Purge. Caedus learned a few techniques during his 5 year sojourn which made him really powerful, but Revan's force knowledge is pretty much superior to Caedus..