my last post doesn't put dante at mach 23 it puts him at 3000m/s (mach 8)
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i have a question.....how fast is the first beam mundus shot at dante going www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jvwzkwmFn0 (7:08) it seems to have crossed across the sky before the lightning in the background finished flashing and the lightning first flashed when the beam was shot at dante (pause at 7:10 to see)
Here's another feat you guys forgot to mention
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKOfilDf5G4
dante's karate chop at the end was so fast the he was cutting in half the gate’s chunks with the sheer heat caused by friction without even touching them. If only I knew what kind of speed is required to achieve enough friction to generate enough heat to cut in half stone it would be great.
Quicksilver
The height of the spikes are 57.72m and it takes 66 frames in 30fps from the rocks falling to QS being activated, 2.2s
= 26.236m/s
The formula to get the average velocity of something in free fall is ~0.5*g*time^2~
Va = 0.5m*9.81*4.82s2
Va = 23.6421m/s
The rock falls 1/10th of Dante's index finger length. Assuming his finger is 8cm long the rock moved 0.8cm and in a second
= 0.008m/s
Going from around 24m/s to under 0.008m/s means Quicksilver reduces speed by 1/3,000th normal.
This would make walking[1.4m/s] under QS appear to be Ma12, running[10m/s] to appear as Ma88 and Ma10 speed appearing as Ma30,000...
Alastor
Taking some things from NF who calced the roof to be 3.79m. However that roof calc was with a 1.8m tall Dante, where he's actually 1.9m, making the roof 4m. Also used glass at Dante's torso level, when actually the shards are right by the floor as it begins. Making the actual distance 6.3m. (Also used a free fall formula where increasing the weight makes the speed slower, so found another)
Speed = sqrt(2*gravity*distance)
Speed = sqrt(2*6.3*9.81)
Speed = 11.1178235 m/s
Dante uses a similar swing to this, arm starting point being slightly higher and ending at the green mark for his first swing. It happens in 0.933333333s and Dante is 1.9m tall.
Arc = 4.65306122m / 0.933333333s
Swing = 4.98542274 m/s
The final pause takes 0.733333333 seconds. In this time the most the shard falls is 0.0006944444444m.
= 0.0006944444444m / 0.733333333s
= 0.000946969697 m/s
Speed = (Shard speed/Slowed Shard Speed)*Slowed Swing Speed
Speed = (11.1178235 / 0.000946969697) * 4.98542274
Speed = 58,530.9649 m/s / Mach 172
Casual yes, though its still only approaching the minimum for lightning speed. Not the solid lightning speed I was hoping for, definitely not the Mach 400+ I once got for this (lulz), but more than good enough for his base self.
Further note on lightning;
13:58. In this scene we have Dante jumping back in time with that jolt. At the end of that fight we see Nelo leaving in a flash of electricity.
19:24. In this scene he faces a Plasma, a being that can move as a lightning bolt and is the "embodiment of evil electricity". At the end it fires "charged electricity" right at Dante.
In the second half of the Nightmare fight, Dante is forced to fight the bioweapon while simultaneously evading Trish firing her lightning at him.
Nothing solid, but the above with Griffon throwing bolts around and the battle with Blitz, it paints an interesting picture of Dante's connection to lightning.
Anyhow, any speed here would be a reaction feat for Dante1 w/o Alastor, and Abigail.
Movement speed for Plasma, Dante1 w/Alastor or w/Sparda, Blitz, Nelo Angelo, Mundas, Despair, Sparda and Dante4.
Abigail's blasts
Abigail fires off Mach 66 blasts hitting with 189,367,840,000 Joules / 45.26 tons / Multi-City Block
Arius Force
This calc got 2.7e11 Joules, though minor mistakes are made:
First is Arius' assumed height of 2m for being taller than a human. In this demon form when standing together Lucia comes up to his waist, he's 1.5x her height. Lucia is around Dante's eye level, making her 1.8m tall (just over 5'9" without heels 😛)
= 2.7m tall Arius
That makes the canyon width actually 9.3m.
The length of the canyon is a minimum of 50 run/jog steps, assuming one stride for her is 0.6m
= 30m (calcer himself said his 11 was too short)
The canyon height is 2.5x the width
= 23.25m
9.3*23.25*30*10^6
= 6,486,750,000 cc
Energy:
6,486,750,000*120
= 778,410,000,000 Joules / 186 tons / Multi-City Block
Note that this is with a fraction of Despair's power.
Both Abigail and Arius' level of power is comparable to them, Nero, Savior, Sparda, Nelo Angelo, Despair, Mundus and Dante1.
Savior Force
Using a 150m tall Savior when his recent work got it as 210m, may be edited at some point.
The energy inside the Savior allows it to casually (seeing as its a side effect, passively) lift itself and many other chunks
= 1,041,648,640,000 Joules / 248.96 tons / Mid Multi-City Block
Note that besides being very casual, this comes from some of the power of the Sparda Blade which still had enough juice to boost Sanctus from being swatted away by Nero to being a good match for him.
This is comparable to the Savior and Nero. Casually compared to Sparda, Nelo Angelo, Despair, Abigail, Mundus and Dante1
Nero's deflection punch:
This is about Nero easily smacking around the False Savior's punches.
An old one but I can't remember showcasing it properly. When asking dadudemon about a 300m/s falling mass being deflected back up at 250m/s he told me that "it has to negate all 300 m/s and then add 250 m/s for a total of 550 ms a second." That was my eyeball estimate for the first punch.
In then end of this blog it has the Savior's height being 210.83m, the arm is 2cm to the height 6.5cm, making the arm is 64.871m long. Its arm makes a downwards, 100° swinging arc at Nero. The circumference of a 64.871m radius circle, divide by 3.4 for the 100° distance
= 119.881328m
The fist goes from above his head level to the ground. In that leant position the height of the fist would be head height + (right)upper arm length, half whole arm + (left)arm length (what he's propping himself up with).
= 20m + 32.4355m + 64.871m
= 117.3065m
Hypotenuse = sqrt ( length^2 + height^2 )
= sqrt(119.881328^2 + 117.3065 ^2)
= 167.727004m
The second strike happens in 12/30frames, 0.4s
= 419.31751 m/s
Nero deflects it back up in 6/30frames, 0.2s, up to Savior's head level. That would be arm + head, so 84.871m
= 424.355 m/s
Total deflection speed = 843.67251 m/s
In that same blog the arms weight comes to 12,555,783.38328 kg
(12,555,783.38328*843.67251^2)/ 2
= 4,468,498,491,244 Joules / 1,068 tons / Mid Multi-City Block
This level for force and strength is comparable to himself, the Savior, Abigail, Nelo Angelo, Sparda, Despair, Mundus and Dante1.
= 5,271,840,000,000,000 Joules / 1,260,000 tons / Small-City level
With a discussion on it here. Full power? Suicidal blast? It does seem crazy high at first, however Nero casually did a 1kt feat and his DB is a tier below Dante1 who is tiers below Mundus' normal power which allows him to reality warp an area larger than the island itself, let alone a 110% final attack.. something to think about.
It would be comparable to Mundus, Abigail via continental portal, Despair via continental corruption, Sparda and Dante w/Sparda for matching him, and obviously for Dante2 for being above them all. Yeah..
Devil Trigger
The most powerful ability in DMC's arsenal, contrasted to how scarce it usage has been. Still, we're given enough to grasp an idea on how powerful it is.
Speed;
-Arkham easily dances around Ebony and Ivory (Match Uzis 600rpm and Blue Rose's Mach 2 shots), but admits he can't touch the Sparda bros unless heavily worn out. Channelling the locked Sparda, Force Edge, puts his forms at and beyond theirs. ~5x faster
-Sanctus isn't fast. The novel even mentions when becoming a demon Credo states he's barely changed, Sanctus explaining he didn't gain a strong demon body but invested it all into raw power. Using the Sparda blade to power up the Savior, he used the remainder to power himself. With that boost he's able to match Nero's speed. ~5x faster
-Vergil, who equalled Dante3's speed, was corrupted and possessed by Mundus to be his puppet, staying in his Nelo Angelo DT state. In this state he was canonly near equals to Dante w/Alastor. 12x faster
-Mundus and Sparda are above the likes of Nelo Angelo, who himself was faster than Dante w/o Alastor. When Dante uses the SpardaDT he bypasses the speed given to him by Alastor to match that of Mundus. >12x faster
Durability;
-Nero's Devil Bringer arm is a permanent DT feature. His normal durability to swords is that of Dante's, but his DB is tough enough to tank a powerful stab from someone with Dante's Multi-City Block strength. Shows us the durability the DT hide gives. Massive increase
Strength;
-Sanctus and Arkham going from around Wall level to Mid-Building level. >10x
-Vergil/Nelo boosted to Dante1's strength level, Nero's Small-Building human strength compared to his DB Multi-City Block strength. Huge increase
Power;
-Arius, Arkham and Sanctus all gaining a fraction of a higher beings power, all go from Wall/Small-Building to Multi-City Block. Huge increase
-Abigail matched Dante1, who one-shotted him with a flick of DT. Then gaining Sparda's boost to reach Mundus' level of power. Huge increase
Any way you look at it, DT is the most powerful trait. Now consider Majin Dante..
Tier ∞:
Dante (SMT) awesome
Tier 0:
Majin Dante (DMC2)
^^^^^
DT Dante (DMC2)
Majin Dante (DMC4) [Concept form only where its stated that the power of this form would far surpass Sparda]
Tier 1:
Dante (DMC2) [Base Dante stomped Despair]
Sparda
Mundus
Dante w/Sparda [Struggled to defeat but ultimatly tied with Mundus]
Despair (Argosax) [Needed both HumanSparda, the Vie de Marli and special items in order to seal him, no defeat though]
Tier 2:
DT Dante (DMC4)
Sparda (human form) [Sparda > Dante w/Sparda, so HumanSparda > Dante]
DT Dante (DMC1)
Tier 3:
Dante (DMC4)
Abigail
Dante (DMC1)
Nelo Angelo
The Saviour
Arkham w/Sparda/Corruption
Tier 4:
Arius-Argosax
DT Dante (DMC3)
DT Vergil
DT Nero
Tier 5:
Dante (DMC3)
Vergil
Nero
False Savior
DT Dante (Manga)
DT Lucia
Tier 6:
Dante (Manga)
Lucia
Strong bosses Eg Doppelganger's copying, Leviathan's 800m body, Hellfire beasts.
Blitz [Lightning beast]
Frost [-0k]
Tier 7:
Trish [lightning attacks, teleporting, low regen, supersonic, desposes of fodder casually]
Strong fodder demons, Arius for his summons
Vie de Marli [Human/demon hybrids, mages and hunters]
Tier 8:
Lady
Fodder demons
Order of the Sword
Tier 9:
Normal humans
Vergil just might be FTL
This is what a guy said in a thread
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“In all seriousness, yes, Vergil can move FTL. Now, just because he can doesn’t mean that he would, that’s an argument speculating on whether he would want in certain cases or not- one that I have no interest in at the moment. For now, I am simply going to argue on the basis of modern physics whether he can move FTL or not and how that places him above DmC Dante.
Now, the reason why I say this is because of his Judgement Cut attack. The physics of it basically make it impossible to do… I mean absolutely undoable given how we understand physics in our universe. Why? Because we’re talking about the physics of space- warping, which is indicated by the bubble of space being stretched then “popping” into a series of slashes.
To warp space, you need negative energy. To get negative energy, you need negative mass, which Vergil doesn’t have. Luckily for Vergil, according to Einstein, negative mass can’t exist either, and his form of space- warping is different from the conventional idea. Instead of space being warped around him, he’s expanding space from a single point. To do that depends on whether DMC is in an expanding universe or a stationary one. Because we don’t totatlly know what’s driving our universe’s expansion, I’m going to take an arguable route of saying that it is stationary. To expand space in a stationary universe, you need to (of course) move faster than the speed of light. “To distort space, you need to travel FTL, “
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“Anywho, the real question would be: if Vergil is swinging his sword FTL than how can we see it? Well, we don’t actually. We don’t see the sword but we can see everything produced from its movement and that doesn’t necessarily mean that the effects have to move at the same speed. The space warping (yes, TxA it is warping because its distorting light along with the sound produced by the effect where sound frequencies are being stretched. It doesn’t have to be put in black and white, just implied.),”
Are these quotes from the same people who said that the Frost's weapons are colder than Absolute Zero, and that Nero's slashes with Yamato are Omnipotent? It's called hyperbole.
Vergil's incapable of using 'said FTL speed' with the other weapons, or his own feet. His reactions are at a hypersonic level. Yet he can apparently move his hands at FTL speeds.
The same applies to Dante, and Nero.
So, magic.
"Are these quotes from the same people who said that the Frost's weapons are colder than Absolute Zero, and that Nero's slashes with Yamato are Omnipotent? It's called hyperbole. "
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Vergil is fast enough to distort space and create warp bubbles with speed alone and nothing about judgement cut description is a hyperbole and how do you know the frost isn't absolute zero? When there is plenty proof that they're abolsure zero
How the hell would temperatures beyond absolute zero be possible based on our understanding of physics? It's either hyperbole or due to magic.
Because our understanding of physics is what you're using to try and explain Vergil's usage of Yamato, a magic-based weapon.
Judgement slash is due to the magical properties of the sword, and not Vergil's supposed FTL speed, a level of speed no one in the series ever comes close to demonstrating (the best speed feat being merely hypersonic, which is exponentially below FTL), not even DMC4/2 Dante, who is significantly more powerful than DMC3 Vergil.
You're on a slope so slippery it's making me facepalm. facepalm2
"Because our understanding of physics is what you're using to try and explain Vergil's usage of Yamato, a magic-based weapon."
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Nothing but assumptions when I have the game canon backing me. Canon> you and once agian the description says nothing about Yamato performing the feat. It's referencing vergil's speed oh and CANON>>> your bullshitt assumptions
