Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
You miss the point of TOAA. TOAA is the actual creator of the comics. He writes the fiction and is not a part of it - that's why TOAA is truly supreme. Just like how TOAA is supreme onto his creations, God is supreme onto His creations: TOAA.
Yeah, but Marvel's TOAA has never claimed to be the Creator behind anything except the Marvel Omniverse (or multiverse/whatever-verse). Western images of God would have him as the Creator of the entire Omniverse, which would include the fictional Marvel universe.
Even based on fictional asumptions, not actual theology, "God" has the advantage because we don't know for certain that there's another Omniverse above ours, and we're just a creation of one of its inhabitants. We do know that about TOAA/Stan Lee so it's a non-fight.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Clarify?
You miss the point of TOAA. TOAA is the actual creator of the comics. He writes the fiction and is not a part of it - that's why TOAA is truly supreme. Just like how TOAA is supreme onto his creations, God is supreme onto His creations: TOAA.
To say that God >> Writer = TOAA
Is like saying Joe Public = Writer >> Superman
So why do some wish that they were Superman?
Not to mention that God from the bible both the new and old testament is terribly flawed.
Originally posted by Astner
How can God be all powerful and good, when there is so much pain and suffering in the world?
- Either he's isn't completely good, all powerful or both.Did you know that 73,4% of the Americans rather believe in the Bible than what has been scientifical proven?
Still most Americans haven't read it, they just have a Bible at home.
It's most likely that the Bible is an old fiction which have awaken thoughts.
You can't prove it wrong, but then again you cannot prove Hans and Greta wrong either.To say that God >> Writer = TOAA
Is like saying Joe Public = Writer >> Superman
So why do some wish that they were Superman?Not to mention that God from the bible both the new and old testament is terribly flawed.
This is comments (and surprisingly immature comments at that) which would be better suited for a religious debate, not a comic book discussion thread
Originally posted by DigiMark007I think you may be reading into this too much Digi.
Yeah, but Marvel's TOAA has never claimed to be the Creator behind anything except the Marvel Omniverse (or multiverse/whatever-verse). Western images of God would have him as the Creator of the entire Omniverse, which would include the fictional Marvel universe.Even based on fictional asumptions, not actual theology, "God" has the advantage because we don't know for certain that there's another Omniverse above ours, and we're just a creation of one of its inhabitants. We do know that about TOAA/Stan Lee so it's a non-fight.
All I think the Thread Starter is saying is that TOAA has been shown un panel to be Jack KIrby and Stan Lee.
He is saying if those guys represent Marvel and they believe in God(which they do/did) then wouldn't that mean TOAA would also worship God as TOAA is supposed to be represented by people that do.
At least I think that is what he was saying.
Although since God is the supreme being in DC wouldn't that mean DC hs power over both itself and Marvel 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
^ that is exactly what I meant. TOAA is supreme because he/it is not a part of the creation. He/it actually makes the comic. So if TOAA believes God made them and creation, then that means God is above TOAA.Wish Mr. M was around here for this argument. Oh well.
It doesn't go like that, because there is no proof that the god that Kirby/Lee believe in exists.
Also, according to your logic someone would have to be stronger than Jack/Kirby to be above the TOAA, but anyone who's strong enough to rip apart a comic is above the TOAA. In Jack/Kirby's mind God might be above the fictional character created by them. To me however, they're both fictional, ridiculous and possess no power at all 🙂
Originally posted by Astner
How can God be all powerful and good, when there is so much pain and suffering in the world?
- Either he's isn't completely good, all powerful or both.Did you know that 73,4% of the Americans rather believe in the Bible than what has been scientifical proven?
Still most Americans haven't read it, they just have a Bible at home.
It's most likely that the Bible is an old fiction which have awaken thoughts.
You can't prove it wrong, but then again you cannot prove Hans and Greta wrong either.To say that God >> Writer = TOAA
Is like saying Joe Public = Writer >> Superman
So why do some wish that they were Superman?Not to mention that God from the bible both the new and old testament is terribly flawed.
It's stuff like this that will get the thread closed. Keep it comics, because this is on a short leash anyway.
Re: Biblical God & The-One-Above-All
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Most people interpret Marvel's Supreme Being, the TOAA, to be one of a few things:
-the Marvel company
-the Editor
-the WriterNow holding true with this idea, Christian God created Man and the Universe. The -real- universe in which TOAA resides.
If TOAA, Stan Lee/the Editor of Marvel/whatever, believes in this God, that essentially means God is more powerful than TOAA.
Now to some this seems ridiculous. Of course God is above a fictional concept. But to some, God is just a fictional concept to be used as such in versus debates. So i'm going with that idea though I personally believe in Him.
I think this is a good idea for a nice topic. I'd like to hear what other people think.
How do you know the Christian God is real ?
Christianity only exists on Earth, as far as we know.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's what this thread is a trap for. Why are we bringing religion into comics ? This thread is rediculous !
And this is overracting. Is hasn't caused problems yet, and there's actually legit (though strange) comic-related discussion going on in this thread. We don't need cries for closing it when they aren't warranted. Believe me when I say I'm keeping track of this thread. If it jumps the shark, it's gone.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And this is overracting. Is hasn't caused problems yet, and there's actually legit (though strange) comic-related discussion going on in this thread. We don't need cries for closing it when they aren't warranted. Believe me when I say I'm keeping track of this thread. If it jumps the shark, it's gone.
I did not ask for it to be closed, but is a trap. Or atleast will become one.
This thread is going to have non-stop religious vs atheist perspectives, and watch...it will end up being a "God does exist" vs "God doesn't exist" fiesta.
The opening statement itself poses a problem. Claiming that the Biblical God is more powerful than TOAA....because one exists and the other doesn't....
Just answer me this, if I am wrong: What is the point of this thread ?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I did not ask for it to be closed, but is a trap. Or atleast will become one.This thread is going to have non-stop religious vs atheist perspectives, and watch...it will end up being a "God does exist" vs "God doesn't exist" fiesta.
The opening statement itself poses a problem. Claiming that the Biblical God is more powerful than TOAA....because one exists and the other doesn't....
Just answer me this, if I am wrong: What is the point of this thread ?
It hasn't gotten to that point yet, nor will it because I'll close it before then. So e'd probably be smart to stop assuming that it will devolve into a closable thread and merely wait to see if it does. As it is, discussion has mostly died out so I honestly doubt much good or bad will come of it.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
It hasn't gotten to that point yet, nor will it because I'll close it before then. So e'd probably be smart to stop assuming that it will devolve into a closable thread and merely wait to see if it does. As it is, discussion has mostly died out so I honestly doubt much good or bad will come of it.
Eh...I kinda stopped caring 😆