Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, Amazons attack was severly rediculous. Wonder Woman was a fool, and she was the best hero in the series.
Amazons Attack was the best story in years. Everyone had perfect characterization. The plot made complete sense. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.
Batman is clearly an AAA magician.
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Originally posted by Badabing
Did that really happen? I thought I was drunk when I read that comic. 😕
Sadly, yes. He said one word and suddenly Circe was powerless for 48 hours.
Apparently where Shazam, Zatanna, the Shadowpact and Phantom Stranger tried and failed, Batman had the magical mojo to stop Circe and take down her forcefield....
Originally posted by Draco69
Sadly, yes. He said one word and suddenly Circe was powerless for 48 hours.Apparently where Shazam, Zatanna, the Shadowpact and Phantom Stranger tried and failed, Batman had the magical mojo to stop Circe and take down her forcefield....
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That?
He said some words that he didn't even understand given to him by Zatanna, and it was only a single hour.
Or were you talking about another instance?
Originally posted by Soljer
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He said some words that he didn't even understand given to him by Zatanna, and it was only a single hour.
Or were you talking about another instance?
My bad about the time.
But it's still ridiculous. You need magical powers to do magic. You can't just say a word and somehow usurp a goddess-level sorceress.
If it was Zatanna doing it? Sure, that's credible.
But an ordinary Joe with no magical powers or reserves whatsoever?
Bullcrap....
Originally posted by Draco69
In the magical world, he is.Batman has no magical mojo whatsoever.
How the hell did he cast a spell with a few words when he's had no magical training, no magical reserves to call upon or magical powers at all?
Magic is often thought of as a skill, not an innate power.
Something anyone can learn, if they devote enough time to it.
Batman's learned entire martial arts in a single match and has deciphered alien technology within minutes.
If you assume it's a skill and not a power, it's not out of the realm of believability that Zatanna could teach him a single spell.
Originally posted by Draco69I was hoping I really didn't see that in the comic. I'm always happy to jump on the Batman bandwagon but that's was too much. 🙁
Sadly, yes. He said one word and suddenly Circe was powerless for 48 hours.Apparently where Shazam, Zatanna, the Shadowpact and Phantom Stranger tried and failed, Batman had the magical mojo to stop Circe and take down her forcefield....
On the magic + Batman aspect .....while the writers probably went a tad bit too far (understatement), there is some historical precedence on Bruce knowing some level of magick.
Case in point: There have been several instances where Batman has been shown to be familiar with magick/occult facets. A couple of examples are like when he was searching out a reason for how Jason Todd had come back to life, or for that matter his conversations with the Demon Etrigan on the occult. Batman has an understanding of the occult (ranging from true magick to occultic artifacts to supernatural phenomena like the alchemical lazarus pits and how they are made/destroyed).
Thus it is within his locus for him to be able to use a magical word, particularly if it had been given to him by someone like Zatanna. It was a word, not a complex intricate magical ritual (if i remember correctly the thing that was bothering him was whether or not he could PRONOUNCE it right, meaning that it was the word that had the power).
The ONLY reason why I am not for Batman using magic is this .....per his conversations with Etrigan, he is not for magic. It is too easy. He may know some of it, but he would never use it (unless it was a very special case, and maybe the thing with Circe qualifies).
In a way using magic for Batman is like him using a gun ......not exactly the same (since the gun has certain psychological trauma connections for him), but along the same lines.
Another way of looking at it is that Batman doesn't like 'external' help, be it from a gun, or magic.
Think about when he went to Apokolips, and the only thing that kept him alive (when he was being punched by Darkseid) was the MotherBox ...it barely kept him alive.
Now, when Big Barda told him later that he should let the Mother Box heal his wounds, Batman REFUSED. He said that he had his own methods, and he would rather use them.
He refused INSTANTENOUS healing .....why?
For the same reason he would not use magic, or use a gun.
Thus, my problem is not whether or not Batman knows magick (he does, although on a theoretical level and DEFINITELY NOT to the level of a Strange/Fate/Zatanna/ on even other lesser magick users). My problem is that he USED magick .....it is against his character.
Unless one argues that the case with Circe was a 'special' case.
Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUSdr strange would be to much even for batman here. strange is great with prep and his magical abiliteis would just crush batman.
Bruce has plenty of time to learn just about everything concerning the mother box. 10/10 Batman easily.
a motherbox would only protect him for so long.
