Doomsday v.s. Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, even though he was stated as having great speed, he got thrashed a lot.

By WHOM? 🤨

Originally posted by carver9
Maxima even beat the hell out of him before superman interviened. Hulk has a good chance of winning this fight.

And, No... Hulk doesn't.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yup. And I don't recall much in the way of incredible speed feats from him to back that up.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which are nice. But it hardly seemed to translate to combat speed, random Cadmus agents had no trouble hitting him.

DD getting beamed from above when he wasn't trying to avoid lazers doesn't do dick to say that he's a slow fighter, when every mention of his capacity for speed in fighting says the opposite.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Based on the way DD was fighting and what Hulk has done to fast moving objects that head straight at him I'd disagree.

Originally posted by jinzin
Surprising characters like Supes, Maxima, and Guy Garnder arn't enough?

Booster Gold made his comment when he was already beaten down. Almost every time other folks were surprised by his speed seemed to be either when they underestimated his speed, when he attacked them from behind, or when Superman was tired from fighting.

doomsday would destroy hulk no problem

Originally posted by Accel
To definitely say he's as fast as Flash? Not really.

Booster Gold made his comment when he was already beaten down. Almost every time other folks were surprised by his speed seemed to be either when they underestimated his speed, when he attacked them from behind, or when Superman was tired from fighting.

I don't disagree.. to DEFINITELY say he's as fast? No...

To say that he's easily faster than what Hulk is likely able to deal with in a fight.. FO..SHO....

Superman was surprised by his speed at the start of the fight. 😬

Finally.. I'd just like to say that DD's speed has consistently been fast for the likes of Superman and in DD WARS was too fast for either Flash or Diana... It could be argued that he was faster there than during DOS.. but it could also be argued that he wasn't. After all, he had no reason to evolve/increase his speed for any of his fights.

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't disagree.. to DEFINITELY say he's as fast? No...

To say that he's easily faster than what Hulk is likely able to deal with in a fight.. FO..SHO....

Superman was surprised by his speed at the start of the fight. 😬

Finally.. I'd just like to say that DD's speed has consistently been fast for the likes of Superman and in DD WARS was too fast for either Flash or Diana... It could be argued that he was faster there than during DOS.. but it could also be argued that he wasn't. After all, he had no reason to evolve/increase his speed for any of his fights.

As for DD's ability to always keep up with Superman in later appearances, you have to keep in mind that Superman has been shown to become more powerful as time went on. Same for Flash. DD being able to consistently to keep up with them could only happen if his speed increased as well.

I agreed that DOS Doomsday is faster than Hulk. I just don't believe he was so much faster that Hulk couldn't keep up at all in a fight.

Originally posted by Accel
Being surprised by one's speed usually means that it was being underestimated in the first place.
Granted.... but.... when it keeps reoccuring between the same parties, I think that's more a testiment to one person's speed than another's ignorance.

[QUOTE=9682994]Originally posted by Accel
[B]I have my doubts that Supes was going all out at the beginning. IIRC, he didn't really start going all out until he was already worn out and hurting. In-between, he was mostly surprised by DD's speed seemingly in a way that he was a lot faster than he looked.

Originally posted by Accel
As for DD's ability to always keep up with Superman in later appearances, you have to keep in mind that Superman has been shown to become more powerful as time went on. Same for Flash. DD being able to consistently to keep up with them could only happen if his speed increased as well.

Okay we never see any big jump in DD's speed.. his speed is something that's always referenced upon as being hella fast.. He's been referenced as being as fast as a speedster, AND the only time that he's been put up against that speedster he was too fast for him. He lived up to the hype so to speak.
I think that any arguments that try to dictate his speed as being anything but too fast for Hulk are simply one that rely on convenient speculation rather than suggested speculation.

Originally posted by Accel
I agreed that DOS Doomsday is faster than Hulk. I just don't believe he was so much faster that Hulk couldn't keep up at all in a fight.

The point is, Supes found out that DD was powerful enough to do grave damage to him.

Supes is a "Light Speeder".

He was unable to avoid DD's punches.

Once Supes knew he was in real danger, he still couldn't get away from the strikes. The final "death blows" were meant to show that they were equally matched. The blows landed with enough speed to tag the enemy, and enough strength to kill.

Didn't Hulk smash through a meteor about the size of Earth, and can't he survive in space?

Anyway at first I doubted DD's claimed speed...not really anymore now...

Originally posted by shin_gear
Didn't Hulk smash through a meteor about the size of Earth, and can't he survive in space?

He was shot into the meteor and yes he currently has no trouble surviving in space.

Originally posted by shin_gear
Didn't Hulk smash through a meteor about the size of Earth, and can't he survive in space?

Anyway at first I doubted DD's claimed speed...not really anymore now...

the guys that were downplaying DD's speed are full of it.

I have the books with me right now, and his speed is mentioned over and over, by several different high-level characters that never talk about the speed of other opponents.

They made a point of getting the message across that DD has the speed of Supes or Flash.

Originally posted by Horrificus
They made a point of getting the message across that DD has the speed of Supes or Flash.

"Lawl"?

DD was shown to have some degree of superspeed, sure but Flash-level? Hardly.

Most of the instances where his speed is regarded involves him surprising other people, who seem to to underestimate his speed.

Didn't DD break a Supes supercharged with solar energy's arm?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Didn't DD break a Supes supercharged with solar energy's arm?

I've never seen DD travel as fast as Flash.
I think his speed was more or so referenced to his reflexes.

His reflexes are incredible, but his travel speed... not so much.

Originally posted by Bransolute
I've never seen DD travel as fast as Flash.
I think his speed was more or so referenced to his reflexes.

His reflexes are incredible, but his travel speed... not so much.

The later versions actually had good running speed. He did blitz the JLA a few times.

DOS DD? Now he's....let's say 3-5 times faster than Hulk, on a conservative estimate. And he's got no internal organs. So he can take far less damage from blunt force than someone with internal organs to heal or bones that are broken. Actually, I think DOS was the only time I ever see someone break one of DD's bones. And that was after several hours of fighting Superman all out.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The later versions actually had good running speed. He did blitz the JLA a few times.

DOS DD? Now he's....let's say 3-5 times faster than Hulk, on a conservative estimate. And he's got no internal organs. So he can take far less damage from blunt force than someone with internal organs to heal or bones that are broken. Actually, I think DOS was the only time I ever see someone break one of DD's bones. And that was after several hours of fighting Superman all out.