Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Those are not the only glaring contradictions. However, just one contradiction is one contradiction too many. Besides, the first discrepancy that you list is a [b]major one. That one alone ought to be evidence enough for you that the Bible and the Qu’ran are not from the same Source. The entire gospel is founded on the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The very fact that the Qu’ran blatantly denies the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming proof that it is not from the same Source. The apostle Paul (who wrote two-thirds of the New Testament) said it best:[/COLOR] [/B]
There's no way to prove they come from the same source, but they both claim to: the god that revealed his existance to Abraham.
"Overwhelimg proof" 😂 pendejo.....
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You indefensibly claim that they agree on [b]many things. Care to mention a few of these many things? If there are many you should be able to produce just a few, right? You could even go all out and provide several examples if you want to blow me away.
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-Jesus was born of a virgin birth.
-Jesus performed miracles.
-Adam was the first human.
-The events of Moses' and Noah's life as depicted in Genesis and Exodus happened.
-Satan enjoyed a privilaged spot in Heaven before he screwed up and was cast into Hell.
And the list goes on and on......
Again, had you simply read the Koran, you would know all this.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The God of the Bible is never referred to as Allah—not even once.
Because the Bible you read is in English. If it was in Arabic, it would say "allah".
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Allah does not mean YHWH and YHWH does not mean god so your argument once again is exploded based on your logic and reasoning./B]
It can, depending on the context. If two people are speaking Arabic, and are Christian, and are talking about the god of the Bible, "allah" is what will be said.
You don't know anything about logic and reason.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]The god of the Qu’ran is the moon god that is why there is a crescent symbol associated with him.
That's actually untrue. The book never once claims "Verily, this is the book of a moon god!" Nope, sorry, doesn't happen. It does however claim to be the book of the god of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Jesus and the Apostles.
If you're going to pull psuedo connections out of your ass, then somebody could easily argue that Jesus is the Sun God based on all his impeccable similarities to Horus, Mithra, and so on.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The view that you hold about the Bible and the Qu’ran.
I'm Christian, but I'm open to the possibility of being wrong. I've read the Koran (something you should do before voicing your opinion about the religion) and it flows more logically and has a pretty good argument.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I asked you to provide those references to illustrate the fact that in order for the Bible and the Qu’ran to be from the same Source there must of necessity be some degree of agreement in terms of tenor, doctrine, beliefs, theme, and practices. But as you can readily see you were unable to fulfill my simple challenge. In short, you were not able to show a link between the Bible and the Qu’ran by simply providing one term from the list that I submitted to you as being in the Bible. Again, here was my original challenge:"Quiero Mota--sir--show me [B]one
reference in the Bible to Mecca, Mohammed, Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims, Islam, seven heavens, the teaching that Christians and Jews must be exterminated for refusing to convert to Islam, that Jesus was not crucified, that God is not Father, Son, Holy Spirit (and many other references from the Qu'ran that contradict the Bible)--and I will admit that I was wrong.Just one."
If you had been able to satisfy this one request Quiero Mota you would have strengthened your argument and thus shown a link between the Bible and the Qu’ran. But unfortunately (for you) this is not the case. [/B]
Um...you're not one to be talking about not fullfilling challenges, since you dodge them like a fat person dodges salad bars, ese.
My answer to your "challenge" is that the Koran claims that the Bible had been corrupted throughout the centuries by men adding what they think should be. There's really no way to disprove either point of view. Also, again, you would've had your answer if you simply read the Koran.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Grouping apples, oranges, and bananas together for a very long time does not make them related nor does it make them one and the same.They might all be monotheistic but there is only one true God. There is only one true God, and one authentic path to Him. Just as there is only [B]one
true JesusIsAlive on this forum, there is only one true God in this universe. There may be many imposters and charlatans but there is only only one true God seated in Heaven (and His Name is not Allah). The God of the Bible is the true God of the universe, and His Name is YHWH.
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The three religions are related.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My mind does not live in a void.
Yes it does. You're not stupid, but you're brainwashed and very pig-headed.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat's a lie and you know it.
I have responded to all of your posts (many of them a waste of my time simply because I had to rehash information that I had already submitted to you numerous times in various ways without your acknowledment of those facts).
Originally posted by NellinatorYes, because you obviously know what the Bible refers to.
No, actually, he didn't see the sun. These were visions. Not him seeing physical things. The word heavens refers to both the night and day sky. There is no mention of light. Therefore, you are making a ridiculous stretch.
Originally posted by NellinatorThe sun is preceding and outlasting, and when I said "them", I refered to ancient Pagan religions.
Everlasting Father, refers directly to God. The sun is not considered everlasting to the Jews. It was known to them that all would pass away. Everlasting to the Jews had two distinctions from the sun. The God preceded the sun and will outlast it. Eternity in Biblical thought always includes preceding and outlasting.
Originally posted by NellinatorYou can think that, but you keep forgetting the Bible isn't real. It's based off of solar theology.
This only speaks of a single ascension and decent. Jesus descended once and ascended once. Therefore, it cannot apply to the sun. The rest of the verse speaks of creation not control of the weather. Read it. The establishment (ie. creation) of the ends of the earth, the garment binding the waters (ie. the creation of landmasses as per the creation account).
Originally posted by NellinatorSold for silver is not a similarity because they got the numbers wrong? Ooh, that's good debunking isn't it, entirely missing the similarity. You also forget Joseph's brother Judah, the very similar name. Also, where in the Bible does it say Jesus is basing his life off of Joseph's?
Next, the twelve disciples and the twelve sons are intentionally similar. The twelve sons each became a tribe of Israel. Jesus chose twelve disciples to represent the twelve tribes of Israel. That is not coincidence, that is by design. Joseph's birth was not miraculous. Joseph hardly helped his brothers. In fact, he tortured his family for a while before repenting. Jesus didn't really help his disciples. They followed Him, that is not similar in any way. And those are different numbers, so there is no connection. However, Judas's price was the result of another prophecy.
Originally posted by lord xyzYah, because I actually read the passage and researched. I didn't use some ridiculously flawed stretch of logic to make it say what I wanted or copy it off a website.
Yes, because you obviously know what the Bible refers to.The sun is preceding and outlasting, and when I said "them", I refered to ancient Pagan religions.
You can think that, but you keep forgetting the Bible isn't real. It's based off of solar theology.
Sold for silver is not a similarity because they got the numbers wrong? Ooh, that's good debunking isn't it, entirely missing the similarity. You also forget Joseph's brother Judah, the very similar name. Also, where in the Bible does it say Jesus is basing his life off of Joseph's?
Not to the Jews it isn't. Therefore, it doesn't apply to the Bible.
Really? Because you haven't shown one piece of evidence to support that.
Are you kidding? Silver was a common currency in the ancient world. I mean wow. Every time someone bribes someone they are ripping off the Joseph story. What poseurs amirite?
Originally posted by NellinatorAs I stated, the Bible is basedoff of paganism and astrology. Even the symbols are pagan and to do with the zodiac.
Yah, because I actually read the passage and researched. I didn't use some ridiculously flawed stretch of logic to make it say what I wanted or copy it off a website.Not to the Jews it isn't. Therefore, it doesn't apply to the Bible.
Really? Because you haven't shown one piece of evidence to support that.
Are you kidding? Silver was a common currency in the ancient world. I mean wow. Every time someone bribes someone they are ripping off the Joseph story. What poseurs amirite?
Everything I have stated is evdience. The fact that the Bible says the world could be flooded, and thatt water can disappear is evidence enough it's bullshit.
Ermm, no. Jesus and Joseph both being sold for silver by a person of 12 with very similar names is very coincidental.
Originally posted by lord xyz
As I stated, the Bible is basedoff of paganism and astrology. Even the symbols are pagan and to do with the zodiac.Everything I have stated is evdience. The fact that the Bible says the world could be flooded, and thatt water can disappear is evidence enough it's bullshit.
Ermm, no. Jesus and Joseph both being sold for silver by a person of 12 with very similar names is very coincidental.
No it's actually not. Do you know anything about the anthropology of the flood myths? Didn't think so. Fail. Do research then come back. Your sources are suspect.
Wow similarity in the English Bible translation. I mean, you may even have a valid point there, but I'm 100% positive you don't actually know. Joseph was sold by all his brothers. And there was 13 brothers total actually if I remember right. So that is a fail. Judas was one man.
Originally posted by NellinatorWhat? That there was a flood in the middle east, that flooded a town at most? Oh, guess I do know that. I'm talking about the Bible saying it was a world flood.
Still no proof. This is called rhetoric. Rhetoric= fail.No it's actually not. Do you know anything about the anthropology of the flood myths? Didn't think so. Fail. Do research then come back. Your sources are suspect.
Wow similarity in the English Bible translation. I mean, you may even have a valid point there, but I'm 100% positive you don't actually know. Joseph was sold by all his brothers. And there was 13 brothers total actually if I remember right. So that is a fail. Judas was one man.
Jacob loved Rachel more than anything in the world, and Leah felt hated. God opened Leah's womb and she gave birth to four sons in succession: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah. Rachel, however, was barren, and gave Jacob her handmaid Bilhah in marriage so she could raise children through her. Bilhah gave birth to Dan and Naphtali. Seeing that she had left off childbearing temporarily, Leah then gave her handmaid Zilpah to Jacob in marriage so she could raise more children through her. Zilpah gave birth to Gad and Asher. (According to some , Bilhah and Zilpah were younger daughters of Laban). Afterwards, Leah became fertile again and gave birth to Issachar, Zebulun, and Dinah. At this point, God remembered Rachel, who gave birth to Joseph and Benjamin.If you count correctly, that adds up to 13. Minus Joseph is 12. Also, I'd like to take this oppurtunity and mention "At this point, God remembered". It seems God has memory problems.