Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You're wrong; there is harmony between the books. In fact they agree on many things. Over 50% in fact.*The 3 blaring disagreements are 1) Jesus was a human and he wasn't crucified. 2) The Garden of Eden was in Heaven, not here on earth. And 3) Satan is not an angel, he's a djinn.*
Stop being ignorant, ese. Arabic speaking Christians call him allah, Arabic speaking Jews call him allah, and Arabic speaking Muslims call him allah. And also, Zeus would be an allah.
Why is all that? Because in that language "allah" means deity.*
The god of the Koran is not connected with any idol. In fact, there probably is no religion that condems idol worship more that Islam.*
And wipe that "mood god" bullshit out of your mind. It's just not true.*
What do you mean? What point of veiw?
Wrong, the Abrahamic religions are a family of religions that include Christianity and Islam.*
There is none. I never said there was. That was a huge stray from the topic.
Islam didn't exist until 600 A.D. pendejo.
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*All that tells me you don't know a damn thing about Islam other than what your biased and uninformed preacher has told you. You've also never opened a Koran once in your life. All you know about that book are the few verses you've read on the internet, likely in links from bigoted Christian websites. You really can't go about making assertions about a religion when you know next to nothing about it.
You're wrong; there is harmony between the books. In fact they agree on many things. Over 50% in fact.*
The 3 blaring disagreements are 1) Jesus was a human and he wasn't crucified. 2) The Garden of Eden was in Heaven, not here on earth. And 3) Satan is not an angel, he's a djinn.*
Those are not the only glaring contradictions. However, just one contradiction is one contradiction too many. Besides, the first discrepancy that you list is a major one. That one alone ought to be evidence enough for you that the Bible and the Qu’ran are not from the same Source. The entire gospel is founded on the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The very fact that the Qu’ran blatantly denies the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming proof that it is not from the same Source. The apostle Paul (who wrote two-thirds of the New Testament) said it best:
1 Corinthians 15:12-23
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep [died] in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
The crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a very major fact recorded in the Bible. The entire axis and central message of the Bible is summed up in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is absolutely no way that the Bible and Qu’ran could possibly be from the same Source and disagree on something as fundamental, vital, and critical as this. I will reaffirm my previous stance:
There is no harmony between the Bible and the Qu’ran. The only pseudo similarities exist because the Qu’ran contains terms that were derived from the Bible (makes perfect sense to me). Interestingly enough the same is not true in the converse (i.e. the other way around). Case in point the Bible never cites any terms identified with or associated with Islam. Terms like Sh’ite, Sunni, Mohammed, Allah, or Mecca are conspicuously absent in the Bible and yet you untenably claim that there is harmony between the two books? You indefensibly claim that they agree on many things. Care to mention a few of these many things? If there are many you should be able to produce just a few, right? You could even go all out and provide several examples if you want to blow me away.
Stop being ignorant, ese. Arabic speaking Christians call him allah, Arabic speaking Jews call him allah, and Arabic speaking Muslims call him allah. And also, Zeus would be an allah.
Why is all that? Because in that language "allah" means deity.*
I couldn’t care less what Arabic-speaking Christians, Jews, and Muslims call their god. The God of the Bible is never referred to as Allah—not even once. His Name is YHWH not Allah—there is no way to mix this up with semantics or linguistics. Just as your name on this forum is Quiero Mota and my name is JesusIsAlive, regardless of what language these two names are translated into they are not referring to the same person. Allah does not mean YHWH and YHWH does not mean god so your argument once again is exploded based on your logic and reasoning.
The god of the Koran is not connected with any idol. In fact, there probably is no religion that condems idol worship more that Islam.*
And wipe that "mood god" bullshit out of your mind. It's just not true.*
The god of the Qu’ran is the moon god that is why there is a crescent symbol associated with him.
Face it, Allah is an idol. I am not wiping anything from my mind that is true and historically sustainable (do your research if you doubt my words and find out all you can about the origin of Allah).
What do you mean? What point of veiw?
The view that you hold about the Bible and the Qu’ran.
Wrong, the Abrahamic religions are a family of religions that include Christianity and Islam.*
No, there is not such thing as the “Abrahamic religion.” There is no such animal as a family of religions in reference to Christianity. I have heard of Judaism and Islam but neither one is the same in terms of doctrine, beliefs, practices, etc.
There is none. I never said there was. That was a huge stray from the topic.
Islam didn't exist until 600 A.D. pendejo.
I asked you to provide those references to illustrate the fact that in order for the Bible and the Qu’ran to be from the same Source there must of necessity be some degree of agreement in terms of tenor, doctrine, beliefs, theme, and practices. But as you can readily see you were unable to fulfill my simple challenge. In short, you were not able to show a link between the Bible and the Qu’ran by simply providing one term from the list that I submitted to you as being in the Bible. Again, here was my original challenge:
"Quiero Mota--sir--show me one reference in the Bible to Mecca, Mohammed, Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims, Islam, seven heavens, the teaching that Christians and Jews must be exterminated for refusing to convert to Islam, that Jesus was not crucified, that God is not Father, Son, Holy Spirit (and many other references from the Qu'ran that contradict the Bible)--and I will admit that I was wrong.
Just one."
If you had been able to satisfy this one request Quiero Mota you would have strengthened your argument and thus shown a link between the Bible and the Qu’ran. But unfortunately (for you) this is not the case.