No absolutes?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Made by man, shaped and sculpted by humans, but his hands were possessed by divinity.

depends on what you define divinity as. if it is divinity that exists only in the mind of the author and the faithful readers, then it is nuthing but a mental state{often deluded based on the incompatibility of doctrine and this world}. if you think of it as true mystical divinity outside the belefs of people, then i very much doubt it. perhaps posession by a normal spirit in the dark is more plausible, wouldnt you agree?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no it doesnt for one. as for the second part 😆 😆 😆 , how can you expose sum1's weakness without saying anything????? 😆 😆

i place as much emphasis on it as it is a premis of the arguments being produced. when YOU say that you beleive in jesus, and yet you and the saints contradict or add to what he said, then i put emphasis on your contradictory stance. when ISLAM claims it is based on JESUS'S words, i place emphasis on it. and repeating sickeningly old point which have bean dealt with time and time again{including my last post} only makes it seem liek your trying to bore the opposition into submittion. i gave a whole explanation on that comprising the length of my entire last post. care to read the part that deals with exactly THAT argument again?

there, does that spell it our for you?

burst my bubble??? 😆 😆 😆 😆 . come on, even u can do better. and its inapt for sum1 whos every post has been countered by numerous other people and he fails to realise it. your playing your little word games again jia. and my last post countered this argument. please TRY and think of sumthing original next time.

thats your newest delusion.

LOL, ultimatums based on empty threats? puhleaase. youve done nuthing but repeat the same thing that was dealt with, with minimal rephrasing i might add.

Why do you laugh? Is that a nervous laugh?

With all due respect there is nothing left for me to discuss with you on this topic because when the weakness in your argument is exposed then you resort to disputing everything. In order to have a proper, intelligent discussion--especially one that is controversial--there must be certain concessions made either at the start or during the the conversation so that both parties can actually arrive at a resolution (no one has to be right and neither person has to be wrong). How can we have a productive exchange when you dispute everything. For example, it is common knowledge that Jesus was crucified on a cross, I don't know anyone--save you and the Muslim world--who doubts this. Just as that is common knowledge, it is fundamentally understood that Jesus did not write any Scripture. So why on God's green earth would you--and only you--dispute this? In my estimation you do not want to get to the bottom of the matter because perhaps in your mind you would lose this argument (although I am not trying to win anything). I seek one thing and one thing only: truth. I have shown you intelligently that your stance is unfounded but you extricate yourself by raising specious questions about what I do or do not know when it is common knowledge? This is not the behavior of someone that knows how to present their argument and then support it with strong, cogent evidence (including historical facts or common knowledge). I have misjudged you and given you credit that you--in my opinion--do not deserve (where's Imperial_Samura when you need an excellent, well-thought-out, reasoned, and sufficiently supported stance backed up with facts not puerile comments that dispute any and everything under discussion?

How have I or the saints added to what Jesus said? You have a very active imagination. Why not provide examples that support your accusations instead (isn't that a more intelligent thing to do?) I have given you clear-cut examples of the things that I find fault with relative to your style of discussion. Me, repeat? I only repeat what goes unaddressed. A response does not equal an intelligent reply. You respond (i.e. I get a post from you) but you do not intelligently reply (you dispute the facts that are common knowledge). You focus on things that are not debatable (who does this? I don't anyone that does that). My post has not been countered intelligently by you.

Word games? What word games? Is that how you characterize straight-forward, explicit rebuttal (there isn't any word play, pun, metaphors, or trick questions and yet you appear to squirm). I apologize if I have offended you because that is not my intent. I am simply trying to understand how I could have overestimated your reasoning ability and given you credit that you have not earned. Again, your response is not tantamount to an intelligent, fact-based, refutation (which characterize my posts). I have not raised any trivial, incidental, smokescreens to cover up the fact that I am incapable of proving and driving home my point. I have already done this on more than one occasion.

Imperial, I need you to take over for leonheartmm, I have judged your abilities correctly.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do you laugh? Is that a nervous laugh?

With all due respect there is nothing left for me to discuss with you on this topic because when the weakness in your argument is exposed then you resort to disputing everything. In order to have a proper, intelligent discussion--especially one that is controversial--there must be certain concessions made either at the start or during the the conversation so that both parties can actually arrive at a resolution (no one has to be right and neither person has to be wrong). How can we have a productive exchange when you dispute everything. For example, it is common knowledge that Jesus was crucified on a cross, I don't know anyone--save you and the Muslim world--who doubts this. Just as that is common knowledge, it is fundamentally understood that Jesus did not write any Scripture. So why on God's green earth would you--and only you--dispute this? In my estimation you do not want to get to the bottom of the matter because perhaps in your mind you would lose this argument (although I am not trying to win anything). I seek one thing and one thing only: truth. I have shown you intelligently that your stance is unfounded but you extricate yourself by raising specious questions about what I do or do not know when it is common knowledge? This is not the behavior of someone that knows how to present their argument and then support it with strong, cogent evidence (including historical facts or common knowledge). I have misjudged you and given you credit that you--in my opinion--do not deserve (where's Imperial_Samura when you need an excellent, well-thought-out, reasoned, and sufficiently supported stance backed up with facts not puerile comments that dispute any and everything under discussion?

How have I or the saints added to what Jesus said? You have a very active imagination. Why not provide examples that support your accusations instead (isn't that a more intelligent thing to do?) I have given you clear-cut examples of the things that I find fault with relative to your style of discussion. Me, repeat? I only repeat what goes unaddressed. A response does not equal an intelligent reply. You respond (i.e. I get a post from you) but you do not intelligently reply (you dispute the facts that are common knowledge). You focus on things that are not debatable (who does this? I don't anyone that does that). My post has not been countered intelligently by you.

Word games? What word games? Is that how you characterize straight-forward, explicit rebuttal (there isn't any word play, pun, metaphors, or trick questions and yet you appear to squirm). I apologize if I have offended you because that is not my intent. I am simply trying to understand how I could have overestimated your reasoning ability and given you credit that you have not earned. Again, your response is not tantamount to an intelligent, fact-based, refutation (which characterize my posts). I have not raised any trivial, incidental, smokescreens to cover up the fact that I am incapable of proving and driving home my point. I have already done this on more than one occasion.

Imperial, I need you to take over for leonheartmm, I have judged your abilities correctly.

i like how you start questioning HOW youve been proven wrong after you have. and how the more you run out of valid arhuments, the more you stop actually rebutting THE ARGUMENT/POINTS MADE. its a good judge of when you cant proceed on with your childish games. and adding in a few personal{albeit in a civil guise} insults to drive the point home.

as for the above reply, everything has been done with and your inability to understand is onlyu your problem. the post makes me smile, not laugh out of ridicule, but just smile, in its mild humour and your childish techniques. coming from sum1 else, it might have been significant, from you though, after the little run of replis youve had, its just sad. goes to show those mental defence mechanisms i was talking about.

yes there is a reason i am not continuing this childish argument with you, because it will inevitably fall upon deaf ears. its the same reason as to why people do not respect your point of view and after all these months/years of presence here, you have still not gained a single convert/follower. on the contrary, youve made people dislike christianity to a much greater extent, disillusioned with its guises{which perhaps might not even hold for more moderate followers here}

Everytime I see this thread, I think of vodka..

Originally posted by debbiejo
Everytime I see this thread, I think of vodka..

alcoholic? 😄

Anyone want to go swimming?

wine

Originally posted by debbiejo
Anyone want to go swimming?

wine

sure, mind smelling like a fermented grape? 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i like how you start questioning HOW youve been proven wrong after you have. and how the more you run out of valid arhuments, the more you stop actually rebutting THE ARGUMENT/POINTS MADE. its a good judge of when you cant proceed on with your childish games. and adding in a few personal{albeit in a civil guise} insults to drive the point home.

as for the above reply, everything has been done with and your inability to understand is onlyu your problem. the post makes me smile, not laugh out of ridicule, but just smile, in its mild humour and your childish techniques. coming from sum1 else, it might have been significant, from you though, after the little run of replis youve had, its just sad. goes to show those mental defence mechanisms i was talking about.

yes there is a reason i am not continuing this childish argument with you, because it will inevitably fall upon deaf ears. its the same reason as to why people do not respect your point of view and after all these months/years of presence here, you have still not gained a single convert/follower. on the contrary, youve made people dislike christianity to a much greater extent, disillusioned with its guises{which perhaps might not even hold for more moderate followers here}

Sticks, stones, low blows, who knows all I know is I have misjudged you.

I have not gained a single convert (wow) I guess I am going to go and jump off of a cliff now. Mr. leonheartmm, sir, you obviously do not understand the dynamics of conversion. No person on earth has ever converted anyone (this is the work of the Holy Spirit in response to free will). My job is not to "convert" in the sense that you mean it, my responsibility is simply to proclaim the good news not put a gun to your head and force you into believing it (no matter what I do I cannot make anyone accept Christ). You are not the first, second, third--ad infinitum--person to resort to this low blow remark based on a lack of knowledge concerning how conversion works. The Bible states that no person can come to Christ except the Father draw him/her. The Father draws via the Holy Spirit and the individual either accepts or rejects the loving pull of the Spirit of God. God uses believers simply to spread the gospel (i.e. good news) as lovingly as possible. But no matter how articulate, loving, patient, calm, dynamic, eloquent, or compassionate, the believer is not responsible for anyone's conversion. It is the sole work of the Holy Spirit in response to free will (God is a gentleman and He will not override anyone's free will).

So, I consider it a low blow because it was meant to disconcert me (real debaters don't need low blows) they let the strength of their argument and the facts do the talking (as I have done). However, I apologize if I hurt your feelings, I did not mean to. People usually lash out with low blow remarks (that they don't really mean) when they have been deeply hurt (again, I apologize for hurting your feelings leonheartmm). It is not productive or fruitful for either one of us to be hurt.

But then again maybe I didn't hurt your feelings and you couldn't care less what I think (is it this one?) Oh well, all is well that ends well.

🙂 😄

JIA, no one cares what you think. honestly the only way i could possibly be converted would be a manifestation of god himself. perhaps ill "repent" when im gonna die so i can have a chance for heaven if it even exists. as a precaution not as a belief. you belief structure and your ideas are skewed because u cant see the atheist POV. i can see why you elieve. can you see why i dont?

sheew! what is that smell?

Taking precautions won't work if God as described by the Bible is real.

that's what i thought

Originally posted by Nellinator
Taking precautions won't work if God as described by the Bible is real.

um wrong. technically if you repent you get takin in to heaven. also since i dont plan on murdering anyone just ignoring "the presence of god" i doubt ill have to do much to get in its good graces(if he exists)

Romans 10:9-10wned

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Romans 10:9-10wned

"confess with your mouth" sounds gay to me. 😂

yea but if all i gotta do is confess im pretty damn saved IMO

Are you retarded? Try reading the verses again.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
yea but if all i gotta do is confess im pretty damn saved IMO

There is nothing to be saved from.

believe in my heart, lols. thats funny. sounds like sailormoon shit. w/e im pretty sure i can pass it off. but that doesnt matter, i probably wont do it ne ways, jus sayin

true shaky, but the "possibility" is something i might consider, probly not but jus sayin